Cayman GT4 Is it quick enough?
Discussion
EricE said:
With PDK-S I would have just used 1st for this situation, but with the manual it's not really worth it....
This thread makes me genuinely despair. How do you end up with a track orientated, manual car when really you prefer an auto turbodiesel?Time to cash in and get the car you actually want, and leave yours for someone who revels in the process of manual shifting up and down the gears.
Catatafish said:
This thread makes me genuinely despair. How do you end up with a track orientated, manual car when really you prefer an auto turbodiesel?
Time to cash in and get the car you actually want, and leave yours for someone who revels in the process of manual shifting up and down the gears.
does any one try and force their car into 1st gear in a manual , nope,, that was his point, in a PDK car you can use 1st quite easy, less so in a manual I find.Time to cash in and get the car you actually want, and leave yours for someone who revels in the process of manual shifting up and down the gears.
Scooty100 said:
Cool maybe the exhaust note meant I didn't hear it clearly. Do you not get hassle on track days ?
yep but that mic was next to the exhaust, I can do Donny ok, I do get blacked flaged at Bedford and have to throttle off past the mic's but then I don't like Bedford so a non issue bar my how fast days there.Most days are ok with the manifold. but the sound is mega and of course still have switchable modes if one wants a bit of quite
PorscheGT4 said:
yep but that mic was next to the exhaust, I can do Donny ok, I do get blacked flaged at Bedford and have to throttle off past the mic's but then I don't like Bedford so a non issue bar my how fast days there.
Most days are ok with the manifold. but the sound is mega and of course still have switchable modes if one wants a bit of quite
Fair enough I do like the spyders cover a few bases I think especially at 30k ;-) Most days are ok with the manifold. but the sound is mega and of course still have switchable modes if one wants a bit of quite
PorscheGT4 said:
yep mine, I know my driving is so smooth you would think it was PDK :-) but it's a manual, no other option on these as a driver :-)
In that video down that road I would say you spent most of the time in 2nd gear briefly going to third so sometimes might as well be a Pdk ! The spyder is good for 80 in second not that much different to the gearing of the gt4 imo or you are only talking a difference of 5 mph. When I did my PEC day in the gt4 it spent most of its time in 2 nd and only briefly hitting 3rd on the new bit of track with longer straights!all done in 3rd with changes to 4th :-) hence why it's so good vs the GT3 I had.
no need to rev it to red line which is about 74mph so you are changing gear a bit sooner than that.
Count the changes from pull off :-)
only time that goes back to 2nd is the end of the run with that nice neat down shift and blip ;-)
no need to rev it to red line which is about 74mph so you are changing gear a bit sooner than that.
Count the changes from pull off :-)
only time that goes back to 2nd is the end of the run with that nice neat down shift and blip ;-)
iantr said:
To summarise then, the Cayman GT4 is an over-hyped over-geared understeering diesel with poor fuel-economy. Most of them have chairs, brakes (sorry "breaks") that will fail if you go within 100km of a track, a diff that will be destroyed the first time you reverse out of your garage, tyres that will dive for the first ditch you pass and paint from a SEAT van.
Did I miss anything?
Brilliant - Think that about sums it up!!Did I miss anything?
From memory the spyder is closer to 75-80 mph at the redline with 3rd closer to 105-110 mph!
So in 3rd you must have been travelling at over 95mph at the higher end of the revs which on a road like that is madness!even on a dual carriage accelerating hard I found myself backing off when changing to 4th as you were well above licence loosing speeds!
So in 3rd you must have been travelling at over 95mph at the higher end of the revs which on a road like that is madness!even on a dual carriage accelerating hard I found myself backing off when changing to 4th as you were well above licence loosing speeds!
Edited by itsybitsy on Monday 23 November 13:45
It's the age old debate of what makes a sports car fun which is down to personal preference. For me power is not that important. It's more a mix of how the car handles, is it adjustable, lithe, nippy, snappy throttle response, chuckable. Outright speed even on track for me is not relevant.
On the road, if a sports car has to go too fast to be fun, then it doesn't work for me. That's why I enjoyed my 6RS as probably the best road car I have owned. I enjoyed its sportiness at all speeds. I didn't really enjoy the 996TT in the same vein.
Bert
PS 30mph in 6th up a steep hill. WTF is that about?
On the road, if a sports car has to go too fast to be fun, then it doesn't work for me. That's why I enjoyed my 6RS as probably the best road car I have owned. I enjoyed its sportiness at all speeds. I didn't really enjoy the 996TT in the same vein.
Bert
PS 30mph in 6th up a steep hill. WTF is that about?
BertBert said:
It's the age old debate of what makes a sports car fun which is down to personal preference. For me power is not that important. It's more a mix of how the car handles, is it adjustable, lithe, nippy, snappy throttle response, chuckable. Outright speed even on track for me is not relevant.
On the road, if a sports car has to go too fast to be fun, then it doesn't work for me. That's why I enjoyed my 6RS as probably the best road car I have owned. I enjoyed its sportiness at all speeds. I didn't really enjoy the 996TT in the same vein.
Bert
PS 30mph in 6th up a steep hill. WTF is that about?
Just to clarify this point,no sports car has to be able to do this!.This is just a one off 5 second test i carry out on a new car to establish if a car does possess supreme torquey lowdown flexible grunt.The GT4 did it easily and accelerated away without the slightest hint of a tremor.My old 2005 997-1 carrera S could pass this test,very few fast cars can!.In practise it is an extremely impressive test of a car's lowdown grunt.This is not my normal driving style,just a one off personal test which is perfectly legal;).On the road, if a sports car has to go too fast to be fun, then it doesn't work for me. That's why I enjoyed my 6RS as probably the best road car I have owned. I enjoyed its sportiness at all speeds. I didn't really enjoy the 996TT in the same vein.
Bert
PS 30mph in 6th up a steep hill. WTF is that about?
I suppose others on here would engage launch control everytime they see green at traffic lights,born again boy racers maybe
Harris_I said:
Hard to know sometimes if it's not me that's going mad. The GT4's stats put it in the same ballpark as an early GT3. I certainly can't wring the neck of my 996 on the road.
Getting kind of fed up with the power race. Have an F10 M5 whose power is virtually unusable in almost any situation. Not to say I don't like - it's fabulous. I just struggle to see why anyone needs that much power. Once the time comes for its replacement, I'll have no problem settling for 200bhp less.
The GT4 is just about the only Porsche I might actually consider from the current line up - precisely because it isn't overwhelmed by a rabid engine.
Snap! Also have an F10 M5 whose power is also used to accelerate the rear tyres far faster than the front ones ever wish to go. In this weather the dashboard is a non stop disco!Getting kind of fed up with the power race. Have an F10 M5 whose power is virtually unusable in almost any situation. Not to say I don't like - it's fabulous. I just struggle to see why anyone needs that much power. Once the time comes for its replacement, I'll have no problem settling for 200bhp less.
The GT4 is just about the only Porsche I might actually consider from the current line up - precisely because it isn't overwhelmed by a rabid engine.
To me some of these higher power cars are starting to become one trick ponies - Its all about the power. An F10 M5 is a dull car unless you drive it like you stole it. All that power, all that torque and it just isn't fun in day to day driving.
Anyway, To the point .. When i had my GT4 test drive day I didnt want for more power or torque . I didn't think 'this needs another 150bhp' because it felt right. It didnt feel OMG fast, but it felt fast. (and i drove down to Silverstone that day in my M5). It felt capable of making use of its power, and the amount of power it had felt appropriate for the car (Thus M5 is going, GT4 is coming). Who cares where the wife and children are going to sit!
Isnt horsepower just something for bragging about down the pub?
A few more musings on this topic.
Its still not quick enough to really thrill but it is great fun to hoon about in in low grip conditions. It reminds me of my much loved Subaru STi Type R from about 15 years ago which was a lightweight import with circa 320BHP and 1200KG. In the Scooby you get the rear diff locked up and drive everywhere steering on the throttle with a massive grin. The GT4 is very similar especially with the first level of DSC disabled. It has got a very faithful tail and lovely steering to balance things out. It goes something like this, sight bend, brake and change down to a ridiculously low gear, turn in, boot throttle hard whilst winding off the lock, steer on throttle, giggle and repeat until you run out of fuel, (not long!). Not the fastest way from A-B but bloody good fun.
The other thing I am getting used to is using a gear lower in almost every situation, I am using first on a regular basis now and it does help to keep the engine on the boil. Overall it is a very different car to a 997GT3. Not worse mind you just very very different to get the most giggles from.
Not sure how long the rear pads are going to last, the back brakes do seem to do a lot of un-requested work. Still get the odd cloud of smoke after a blat about.
Its still not quick enough to really thrill but it is great fun to hoon about in in low grip conditions. It reminds me of my much loved Subaru STi Type R from about 15 years ago which was a lightweight import with circa 320BHP and 1200KG. In the Scooby you get the rear diff locked up and drive everywhere steering on the throttle with a massive grin. The GT4 is very similar especially with the first level of DSC disabled. It has got a very faithful tail and lovely steering to balance things out. It goes something like this, sight bend, brake and change down to a ridiculously low gear, turn in, boot throttle hard whilst winding off the lock, steer on throttle, giggle and repeat until you run out of fuel, (not long!). Not the fastest way from A-B but bloody good fun.
The other thing I am getting used to is using a gear lower in almost every situation, I am using first on a regular basis now and it does help to keep the engine on the boil. Overall it is a very different car to a 997GT3. Not worse mind you just very very different to get the most giggles from.
Not sure how long the rear pads are going to last, the back brakes do seem to do a lot of un-requested work. Still get the odd cloud of smoke after a blat about.
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