981 Spyder or GT4 ?

981 Spyder or GT4 ?

Poll: 981 Spyder or GT4 ?

Total Members Polled: 97

981 Spyder: 41%
Cayman GT4: 59%
Author
Discussion

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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BubblesNW said:
He'll have change his name again. What about "Permanent a Wave TT"?
At this rate he will have had more names than Cheryl Tweedy / Cole / Vasina....
I'll await the next car he talks up to sell then, but surely no one could put a positive spin on an Aldi TT?!?!

Edited by mdianuk on Thursday 26th November 22:10

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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My 3rd TT now , great cars, fastest cars A to B

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Just wait and see...

Audi TT, best car ever shocker, tuneable to 9 gazillion bhp, 0-60 in 2.5 secs, Ferrari slayer, steering feel like you're rubbing your arse on the Tarmac.....etc ad infinitum for months on end.....or until he flips that as well.
Best car I've ever had, and I've had hundreds......

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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you lot are excitable :-) amusing though but excitable none the less.

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
My 3rd TT now , great cars, fastest cars A to B
Have to say the last TT RS was quick, really quick in real world driving. But then I've not had exotic cars.

But it was capable of putting a lot of faster cars to shame. The combo of awd and the torque made it squat and go.

lemmingjames

7,433 posts

203 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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You do realise he is tribbing as he craves the attention dont you?

ChrisW.

6,210 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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I think the Spyder is going to be a very scarce car but much closer in character to the previous Spyder than the GT4 is the Cayman R.

For example, no GT3 suspension, smaller brakes making PCCB an even more viable option ... and it makes a lightly used previous model Spyder a bargain unless you really need the extra grunt ...

Unlike the GT4 which at retail is a very exciting car ... and huge step up on the R ...

iantr

3,354 posts

238 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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lemmingjames said:
You do realise he is tribbing as he craves the attention dont you?
I googled "tribbing". I have obviously led a sheltered life.

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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itsybitsy said:
If mrD aka gt4 has flipped his gt4 I hope porsche gb are reading this and remove him from getting any other gt cars in the future for someone who as shown no loyalty to porsche uk and I believe may not have bought a new porsche or a secondhand one from any OPC gets allocated a car over a loyal customer makes a mockery of the whole allocation system and if I was a loyal customer who missed out I would not be very happy especially with the dealership that sold him the car!or have they moved it on for him!
All speculation of course but it does make me wonder!
ooo look at you

I have had 5 Porsches , 3 direct from Porsche and all 5 looked after by Porsche, not that it's any of your business ffs.

you get to see the nasty side of people on here for sure.

lemmingjames

7,433 posts

203 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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iantr said:
I googled "tribbing". I have obviously led a sheltered life.
But quite apt though dont ya think

Buster73

5,042 posts

152 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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itsybitsy said:
If mrD aka gt4 has flipped his gt4 I hope porsche gb are reading this and remove him from getting any other gt cars in the future for someone who as shown no loyalty to porsche uk and I believe may not have bought a new porsche or a secondhand one from any OPC gets allocated a car over a loyal customer makes a mockery of the whole allocation system and if I was a loyal customer who missed out I would not be very happy especially with the dealership that sold him the car!or have they moved it on for him!
All speculation of course but it does make me wonder!
His car , his decision, end of story.

As for Porsche GB reading some of the rubbish posted on here and taking any notice of it , I've had to pick a few cornflakes of me iPad.

Stop making me laugh man.

spareparts

Original Poster:

6,777 posts

226 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
My 3rd TT now , great cars, fastest cars A to B
PorscheGT4, We are not interested in your Audi TT - there is an Audi forum for that. This is about the 981 Spyder and GT4.


ChrisW. said:
I think the Spyder is going to be a very scarce car but much closer in character to the previous Spyder than the GT4 is the Cayman R.

For example, no GT3 suspension, smaller brakes making PCCB an even more viable option ... and it makes a lightly used previous model Spyder a bargain unless you really need the extra grunt ...

Unlike the GT4 which at retail is a very exciting car ... and huge step up on the R ...
On public roads driven anywhere up to 8-9/10s, I do wonder how much the Spyder gives away to the GT4. I do wonder if the merits of the GT3 front end may only become apparent when really pushing the limits on track. Do the control arms and steering rack really add anything significant on the road? But in all other situations, the same engine, same chassis, same interior - surely these are dominant factors to the overall enjoyment/driving experience? (And before one takes into consideration the roof-off experience)

The appeal of the Spyder is that it seems to take the best bits of the last NA 911 engine, packed into the same excellent chassis of the Boxster/Cayman, adds a gorgeous mini-918 Spyder body, and then suspends it all on the sportiest suspension/chassis set up - same as GT4. The fractional reduction in tyre width can only be a good thing on the road too - offering more delicate feedback and adjustability perhaps... The 2.7RS's legendary steering/handling feel makes do with skinny tyres.

The next Boxster/Cayman may well see 4 cylinder turbo'd engines (and maybe lose "Boxster/Cayman" naming in the same process?). In which case the adoption of the biggest NA engine from a 911 may well secure the Spyder and GT4's legendary status, dry sump or not!

nsm3

2,831 posts

195 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Agreed, but would add, on public roads, I doubt either give much away to an S/GTS or for that matter, a base car?

spareparts

Original Poster:

6,777 posts

226 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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nsm3 said:
Agreed, but would add, on public roads, I doubt either give much away to an S/GTS or for that matter, a base car?
The 911 3.8 engine offers loads more. +45-60hp and +45lbft torque increases in a NA engine, manual only, over the same rev ranges make an enormous difference over the standard Boxster/Cayman. And the chassis sits a lot lower to make the most of the increased power.

These factors plus their rarity justify the premium imho.

itsybitsy

5,188 posts

184 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
ooo look at you



you get to see the nasty side of people on here for sure.
Touché! Must of touched a nerve!

RSVP911
[report] [news] Monday 16th November quote quote all
PorscheGT4 said:
Quote "PH is a bit look at me, look at my new Ltd ed car you lot cannot get , how great am I ! it's also better than any other car before it and is 100% perfect.
People then post pics outside a massive house and massive custom garages etc and want every one to say how great it all is.
that seems more sad to me, just sayin :-) " unquote
RSVP reply "This post says so much about you - very intersting - just saying ......"

Edited by itsybitsy on Friday 27th November 09:37

av185

18,432 posts

126 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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As previously mentioned, the real A or B road driving and performance difference between the two is miniscule....perhaps the same as the 997 RS 3.8 to the 4.0 RS difference. But clearly the GT4 front chassis in particular is more suited to track.

The other aspect is usability. Whilst the GT4 could quite easily be used as a daily, the greatest restriction is not unlike the 991 GT3 without lift, and whilst the splitter appears perhaps half a centimetre higher (than the GT3),the front brake cooling ducts on all three are identical in height off the road. The splitter on the Spyder is 1 cm higher than the GT4 which clearly makes it more usable for e.g weekends away etc.

Finally it is also worth remembering what Porsche intend for the next gen model hierarchy. The Boxster being a cab thus far has been somewhat bizarrly priced less than the 2 door coupe Cayman. The Cayman has never sold in anything like the numbers of the Box so there will effectively be a role reversal for gen 2 with the Box being the dearer car therefore rendering it far more profitable for them.It may well therefore be the case that the 981.2 GTS could well end up being dearer than the current Spyder as well as suffering the ignonimity of a 4 pot 'turbine' engine. Making the current Spyder a serious bargain and highly collectable not least due to its rarity as well.

nsm3

2,831 posts

195 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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spareparts said:
nsm3 said:
Agreed, but would add, on public roads, I doubt either give much away to an S/GTS or for that matter, a base car?
The 911 3.8 engine offers loads more. +45-60hp and +45lbft torque increases in a NA engine, manual only, over the same rev ranges make an enormous difference over the standard Boxster/Cayman. And the chassis sits a lot lower to make the most of the increased power.
Ok, I may have gone too far including the base car, but having had a 355bhp/3.8 a 415bhp/3.6 and now a 325bhp/3.4, for public roads, there really isn't much in it. At Spa, I'm sure the differences will be huge.

g7jhp

6,958 posts

237 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
My 3rd TT now , great cars, fastest cars A to B
Usual PorscheGT4 exaggeration. An Audi TT is slower than all watercooled 911 turbo from point to point.

spareparts

Original Poster:

6,777 posts

226 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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nsm3 said:
Ok, I may have gone too far including the base car, but having had a 355bhp/3.8 a 415bhp/3.6 and now a 325bhp/3.4, for public roads, there really isn't much in it. At Spa, I'm sure the differences will be huge.
I think the extra 10-15% torque available through the midrange will make the biggest difference in give and take driving when comparing equivalent weight Boxsters, even if the Spyder is lighter by a small amount. Differences at Spa are largely irrelevant imho if comparing Boxsters, although the extra HP of the Spyder definitely would make itself felt.

spareparts

Original Poster:

6,777 posts

226 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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av185 said:
As previously mentioned, the real A or B road driving and performance difference between the two is miniscule....perhaps the same as the 997 RS 3.8 to the 4.0 RS difference. But clearly the GT4 front chassis in particular is more suited to track.

The other aspect is usability. Whilst the GT4 could quite easily be used as a daily, the greatest restriction is not unlike the 991 GT3 without lift, and whilst the splitter appears perhaps half a centimetre higher (than the GT3),the front brake cooling ducts on all three are identical in height off the road. The splitter on the Spyder is 1 cm higher than the GT4 which clearly makes it more usable for e.g weekends away etc.

Finally it is also worth remembering what Porsche intend for the next gen model hierarchy. The Boxster being a cab thus far has been somewhat bizarrly priced less than the 2 door coupe Cayman. The Cayman has never sold in anything like the numbers of the Box so there will effectively be a role reversal for gen 2 with the Box being the dearer car therefore rendering it far more profitable for them.It may well therefore be the case that the 981.2 GTS could well end up being dearer than the current Spyder as well as suffering the ignonimity of a 4 pot 'turbine' engine. Making the current Spyder a serious bargain and highly collectable not least due to its rarity as well.
Having driven both the 3.8RS and the 4.0RS at their traction limits, I would be surprised if the difference was that great considering the Spyder and GT4 share the same engine, although the Spyder produces only less than 3% less top end HP. The 4.0 had significantly more than the 3.8 pretty much everywhere... too much imho for really exploitable fast trackwork. I though the 3.8RS was a much sweeter and better balanced drive, but that's another story.

Any coupe could be used daily, as could the Spyder be used daily as long as one drove with the roof up all the time. When I had a lowered 6.1GT3 with larger Cup brake ducts, speedhumps and access was never an issue - even the dreaded ferries were successfully negotiated with a diagonal approach instead of straight on. So I don't think the fractional differences between either Spyder or GT4 will be an issue.

I'm struggling here between the two - I suspect the differences will be more about overall feel and approachability of both vehicles. Whilst the GT4 is bold and brash, I suspect the Spyder will deliver it's message more quietly - although both would be equally quick in give/take fast road situations with similar dynamics. Over the long run, I wonder if the Spyder may hold more allure and charm on long drives... although there is no denying that the 'GT' moniker will forever remain the attraction and stir interest. After 60 votes on the poll, a 2/3 split is closer than I thought it might be. Maybe the answer to the original question is 'both'. The Spyder is evocative. GT4, the mini-GT3.