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Mustangs said:
Read this wondering what the difference will be to the cars he currently tries to build and no one buys! #overpricedjunk
A new chapter begins...
....countdown to the creation of the latest Paul Stephens Autoart series of restored - bespoke 911s is closing towards an exciting climax.
Our latest Series 2 Classic Touring will be launched at the London Classic Car Show on the 18th February 2016, fittingly in London at the Excel Exhibition Centre. A perfect venue for celebrating over ten years of perfecting an icon in England. The sum of its parts will be truly stunning.
This new series is deliberately styled from a period when design was unencumbered by stifling legislation. The car has been created in-house at our refurbished premises in Essex, with an obsessive attention to detail, meticulous engineering with modern upgrades together with a number of bespoke features to provide a stunning daily sports car for the discerning client. The latest Paul Stephens Autoart cars endorse our original concept by providing the best of both worlds, with pure style and intelligent engineering.
Our stand will also feature a famous Paul Stephens Autoart car brought back to England from it's luxurious location in Monaco with the consent of it's owner. A perfect example of the trust our customers place in us. This bespoke Porsche was created from our Retro Touring R model to the owners personal specification, and is proof of what is possible when you work with the expertise and experience found here at Paul Stephens. We always welcome these very special cars back to our facility in England, often for routine service or performance enhancements, but sometimes we have the cars here purely to celebrate their very existence.
So, please come along to our stand G130 at The London Classic Car Show on February 18th - 21st 2016 at the Excel Centre. Come along and see us, you won't be disappointed and that's a promise!
We look forward to seeing you there.
Paul and Rebecca Stephens
Don’t forget if you can't make it, give us a call on 01440 714884 as we’d love to hear from you.
By the way we are actively looking for new team members. If you are interested, or know anyone who is interested in working in a dynamic automotive environment, take a look at our website
Well having seen the backdated 964 at the Classic Car show today, it did look very nice as a backdate car, however the price.....A new chapter begins...
....countdown to the creation of the latest Paul Stephens Autoart series of restored - bespoke 911s is closing towards an exciting climax.
Our latest Series 2 Classic Touring will be launched at the London Classic Car Show on the 18th February 2016, fittingly in London at the Excel Exhibition Centre. A perfect venue for celebrating over ten years of perfecting an icon in England. The sum of its parts will be truly stunning.
This new series is deliberately styled from a period when design was unencumbered by stifling legislation. The car has been created in-house at our refurbished premises in Essex, with an obsessive attention to detail, meticulous engineering with modern upgrades together with a number of bespoke features to provide a stunning daily sports car for the discerning client. The latest Paul Stephens Autoart cars endorse our original concept by providing the best of both worlds, with pure style and intelligent engineering.
Our stand will also feature a famous Paul Stephens Autoart car brought back to England from it's luxurious location in Monaco with the consent of it's owner. A perfect example of the trust our customers place in us. This bespoke Porsche was created from our Retro Touring R model to the owners personal specification, and is proof of what is possible when you work with the expertise and experience found here at Paul Stephens. We always welcome these very special cars back to our facility in England, often for routine service or performance enhancements, but sometimes we have the cars here purely to celebrate their very existence.
So, please come along to our stand G130 at The London Classic Car Show on February 18th - 21st 2016 at the Excel Centre. Come along and see us, you won't be disappointed and that's a promise!
We look forward to seeing you there.
Paul and Rebecca Stephens
Don’t forget if you can't make it, give us a call on 01440 714884 as we’d love to hear from you.
By the way we are actively looking for new team members. If you are interested, or know anyone who is interested in working in a dynamic automotive environment, take a look at our website
£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
I wouldn't normally respond to this sort of "forum" but I feel compelled to say that the sort of vitriolic gossip I found here today is typical of the shallow opinions shared by those with narrow minds. If you can't understand the difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism then I could forgive the ignorance but it seems that your constant attempts to undermine the value of this specialist suggests a form of personal vendetta.
Please stop and find another target. I think we are all bored with you and your sad opinions.
Please stop and find another target. I think we are all bored with you and your sad opinions.
Budflicker said:
Well having seen the backdated 964 at the Classic Car show today, it did look very nice as a backdate car, however the price.....
£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
[br][br]£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
It's a point of view, but I'd rather listen to someone that can talk with some authority on this like GT Porsche: http://gtpurelyporsche.com/1180-2/
Budflicker said:
Well having seen the backdated 964 at the Classic Car show today, it did look very nice as a backdate car, however the price.....
£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
[br][br]£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
It's a point of view, but I'd rather listen to someone that can talk with some authority on this like GT Porsche: http://gtpurelyporsche.com/1180-2/
So two people posting in defence both 1st time posters, mmmmmmmmm
Oh and the GT Porsche bit is clearly a paid advertising journo piece, lets face it the Porsche mags will quite happily run a similar piece about Hendon Way Motors if the price is right.
And to be clear, I'm not having a go and I said it was a nice thing, just not in Singer league.
Oh and the GT Porsche bit is clearly a paid advertising journo piece, lets face it the Porsche mags will quite happily run a similar piece about Hendon Way Motors if the price is right.
And to be clear, I'm not having a go and I said it was a nice thing, just not in Singer league.
Budflicker said:
Well having seen the backdated 964 at the Classic Car show today, it did look very nice as a backdate car, however the price.....
£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
I saw the white PS car yesterday and had a good chat to one of their people. The car looked really good. They also had a black car on their stand, and the engine in that was thing of wonder! £300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
I was told the white car was c.£200k, but that included a lot of one off custom interior pieces. The PS guy said the owner had been to Singer, but thought their car was 'a bit raw' and he wanted something more 'civilised' for road use. If the price I was told is correct, it's around one third the price of a Singer.
Also saw the yellow RSR rep, which looked fabulous, a 'proper' 2.7RS and a 3.0RS. Star of the show for me though was a RHD 356 Speedster... absolutely stunning.
Budflicker said:
Well having seen the backdated 964 at the Classic Car show today, it did look very nice as a backdate car, however the price.....
£300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
Better than a Singer ! I think not. £300,000
it is a nice thing but it's never £300,000, that puts it in Singer territory and a Singer it was not. Although the sales guy suggested it was actually better than a Singer
Weather it's the right price or not is all matter of opinion and I'm not adverse to backdated cars, the OP points out that you don't see many of them being sold and that's fact not necessarily being spiteful so I thing he has a point .
Price-i5ps8 said:
I wouldn't normally respond to this sort of "forum" but I feel compelled to say that the sort of vitriolic gossip I found here today is typical of the shallow opinions shared by those with narrow minds. If you can't understand the difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism then I could forgive the ignorance but it seems that your constant attempts to undermine the value of this specialist suggests a form of personal vendetta.
Please stop and find another target. I think we are all bored with you and your sad opinions.
Oh my now this is a tad embarrassing, few beers after the show then thought you'd create a login ? Please stop and find another target. I think we are all bored with you and your sad opinions.
Look it's simple, the mkt decides what the right price is and the fact you never see these PS recreations on the road tells you for what you actually get they are too much money .
Singer is a totally different proposition, Cosworth engine to start with as opposed to a lightly modified and rebuilt 964 lump, 4000 man hours to build with everything brand new and the likes of Jay Leno drooling and reviewing them.
They also have a waiting list so what does that tell you ?
reputation is also key and I'm afraid of late Paul Stephens hasn't covered himself in glory .
Let's leave it there
Edited by Mustangs on Tuesday 23 February 05:05
Not debating the whys and wherefores of PS, just the logic you use. You say the PS cars are poor becuase you've never seen one on the road. But how many has he made? Hardly any which is probably why you'd never see one. How many Singers have you seen on the road? I've not seen one!
I'm neither a PS supported nor detractor, but I've happily done business with him.
Bert
I'm neither a PS supported nor detractor, but I've happily done business with him.
Bert
I fail to see how its in the same territory as this:
http://www.carsbase.com/photo/Singer_911_model_101...
or this
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/24/exclusive-first...
http://www.carsbase.com/photo/Singer_911_model_101...
or this
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/24/exclusive-first...
BertBert said:
Not debating the whys and wherefores of PS, just the logic you use. You say the PS cars are poor becuase you've never seen one on the road. But how many has he made? Hardly any which is probably why you'd never see one. How many Singers have you seen on the road? I've not seen one!
I'm neither a PS supported nor detractor, but I've happily done business with him.
Bert
He's been making his 'recreations' for over 5yrs which you only see at some classic car shows as he's trying to flog them, and the reson (as previously mentioned) you don't see many Singers is because their primary market is the US.I'm neither a PS supported nor detractor, but I've happily done business with him.
Bert
It also costs too much to import Singers into the UK for the buyers perspective once you've paid the duty , ask Andrew D as he had one on order.
Good luck to you finding a car you liked at Paul Stephens, you were clearly one of the lucky ones.
I like the idea of this very early PS creation. I've seen it in the flesh. Fit and finish is awful hence why maybe launch of series 2. She's been for sale for like 3-4 years at £80k. I'd grudgingly maybe value it at £35k as the fit and finish is so poor and the fact it cannot shift at £80k speaks volumes even in these crazy times. Also owner only put 3k miles and then stuck it on SOR with Howard Wise. Seems maybe owner was not impressed with the car putting it up for sale soon after buying it who knows.
http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
9e 28 said:
I like the idea of this very early PS creation. I've seen it in the flesh. Fit and finish is awful hence why maybe launch of series 2. She's been for sale for like 3-4 years at £80k. I'd grudgingly maybe value it at £35k as the fit and finish is so poor and the fact it cannot shift at £80k speaks volumes even in these crazy times. Also owner only put 3k miles and then stuck it on SOR with Howard Wise. Seems maybe owner was not impressed with the car putting it up for sale soon after buying it who knows.
http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
Makes sense although why would you take the chance with Mk 2 when as you say Mk1 was so terrible. http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
Mustangs said:
9e 28 said:
I like the idea of this very early PS creation. I've seen it in the flesh. Fit and finish is awful hence why maybe launch of series 2. She's been for sale for like 3-4 years at £80k. I'd grudgingly maybe value it at £35k as the fit and finish is so poor and the fact it cannot shift at £80k speaks volumes even in these crazy times. Also owner only put 3k miles and then stuck it on SOR with Howard Wise. Seems maybe owner was not impressed with the car putting it up for sale soon after buying it who knows.
http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
Makes sense although why would you take the chance with Mk 2 when as you say Mk1 was so terrible. http://www.howardwisecars.co.uk/index.php/classic/...
I'm sure the new cars are miles better and so they should be at £200k-£300k.
The cars that Singer create basically inhabit a world of their own. Yes they are ridiculously expensive but if you do a little investigation you will soon find out why they cost what they do.
Let’s not forget that a large proportion of the car is now carbon fibre, virtually all customers now spec the Ed Pink 4.0 engine rather than the old Cosworth, and that the wiring loom is aircraft quality.
At the end of the day each car takes 4000 hours to build, has never received a negative review and sits on top of or near the top of a large numbers of PH’s want list.
And here is another thing to consider, no one is getting rich building these things, the business model only just about makes sense, they do it because they love it, and for that I am very grateful
Let’s not forget that a large proportion of the car is now carbon fibre, virtually all customers now spec the Ed Pink 4.0 engine rather than the old Cosworth, and that the wiring loom is aircraft quality.
At the end of the day each car takes 4000 hours to build, has never received a negative review and sits on top of or near the top of a large numbers of PH’s want list.
And here is another thing to consider, no one is getting rich building these things, the business model only just about makes sense, they do it because they love it, and for that I am very grateful
Streetrod said:
The cars that Singer create basically inhabit a world of their own. Yes they are ridiculously expensive but if you do a little investigation you will soon find out why they cost what they do.
Let’s not forget that a large proportion of the car is now carbon fibre, virtually all customers now spec the Ed Pink 4.0 engine rather than the old Cosworth, and that the wiring loom is aircraft quality.
At the end of the day each car takes 4000 hours to build, has never received a negative review and sits on top of or near the top of a large numbers of PH’s want list.
And here is another thing to consider, no one is getting rich building these things, the business model only just about makes sense, they do it because they love it, and for that I am very grateful
Well said! Let’s not forget that a large proportion of the car is now carbon fibre, virtually all customers now spec the Ed Pink 4.0 engine rather than the old Cosworth, and that the wiring loom is aircraft quality.
At the end of the day each car takes 4000 hours to build, has never received a negative review and sits on top of or near the top of a large numbers of PH’s want list.
And here is another thing to consider, no one is getting rich building these things, the business model only just about makes sense, they do it because they love it, and for that I am very grateful
A singer 911 is at the top of my list of cars to buy if I ever won the lotto! I would literally be ringing them up as soon as I had the cash in the bank
They have an OCD level of attention to detail and everything is important to them, from the surfaces you can touch and feel through to the hidden parts which you will never see unless you strip the car back to its bare shell.
You can see the love they have for the 911 when Rob Dickinson says this...... Singer's always been about celebrating Porsche, and is always Porsche writ large, and Singer writ small for me, .... We only have two Singer badges on the cars, because circumstances kept taking us there. The idea was that people could walk past one of our restorations and go, “Wow, what a fabulous old Porsche,” not, “What a fabulous Singer,” that's really not the point.
Great article... http://petrolicious.com/singer-vehicle-design-s-ro...
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