991 GT3 RS - buy now or wait?
Discussion
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
Had another look at the Euro RS trend and prices still dropping - https://www.autoscout24.com/classified-detail/deta...
209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
I am missing something crucial here - when was a 991 RS a 160-170k list car. List price was c. 182k and specced cars were nudging 200k (full spec was actually >200k).209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
UK list was circa £130K + options £150K +/ -
Euro price, well dreaded CCY fluctuations don't help but £130K to Euro (allowing for previously better rates) would be circa 160K Euros (actually 151,950 Euros today). Assuming the pricing was just a straight ccy conversion if ordered in Europe. I could be wrong
Porsche in the UK have been relatively cheap for a while - as a comp a Turbo S costs the same as a Ferrari 488 list in Germany, while in the UK there is a significant gap from memory
you can download the price list here (and I assume you can still configure a car on the configurator): http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/911/911-gt3-...
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
Had another look at the Euro RS trend and prices still dropping - https://www.autoscout24.com/classified-detail/deta...
209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
I am missing something crucial here - when was a 991 RS a 160-170k list car. List price was c. 182k and specced cars were nudging 200k (full spec was actually >200k).209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
UK list was circa £130K + options £150K +/ -
Euro price, well dreaded CCY fluctuations don't help but £130K to Euro (allowing for previously better rates) would be circa 160K Euros (actually 151,950 Euros today). Assuming the pricing was just a straight ccy conversion if ordered in Europe. I could be wrong
Porsche in the UK have been relatively cheap for a while - as a comp a Turbo S costs the same as a Ferrari 488 list in Germany, while in the UK there is a significant gap from memory
you can download the price list here (and I assume you can still configure a car on the configurator): http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/911/911-gt3-...
to the 997.2 RS vs 991 RS point - I do think eventually the 997 will overtake the 991 as they are likely to be much rarer cars and the 991.1 will just be replaced by a similar but better 991.2 (while the 997 might still stand as the last manual affordable RS).
Having said that, it would not surprise me if both of these cars eventually half in value (cheapest 997.2 RS were at 100k not so long ago, see how cheap 964/993 RS cars were not even 10 years ago) as neither is particularly rare or collectable (that honor will probably go the the 991 R and the 997 4.0).
So from a monetary point of view, I am not sure now is the time to buy - how much driving pleasure would you have to forego though until the market corrects (or if it keeps rising, you might never get a car as cheaply is now) is a different story and life is short ...
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
Had another look at the Euro RS trend and prices still dropping - https://www.autoscout24.com/classified-detail/deta...
209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
I am missing something crucial here - when was a 991 RS a 160-170k list car. List price was c. 182k and specced cars were nudging 200k (full spec was actually >200k).209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
UK list was circa £130K + options £150K +/ -
Euro price, well dreaded CCY fluctuations don't help but £130K to Euro (allowing for previously better rates) would be circa 160K Euros (actually 151,950 Euros today). Assuming the pricing was just a straight ccy conversion if ordered in Europe. I could be wrong
Porsche in the UK have been relatively cheap for a while - as a comp a Turbo S costs the same as a Ferrari 488 list in Germany, while in the UK there is a significant gap from memory
you can download the price list here (and I assume you can still configure a car on the configurator): http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/911/911-gt3-...
to the 997.2 RS vs 991 RS point - I do think eventually the 997 will overtake the 991 as they are likely to be much rarer cars and the 991.1 will just be replaced by a similar but better 991.2 (while the 997 might still stand as the last manual affordable RS).
Having said that, it would not surprise me if both of these cars eventually half in value (cheapest 997.2 RS were at 100k not so long ago, see how cheap 964/993 RS cars were not even 10 years ago) as neither is particularly rare or collectable (that honor will probably go the the 991 R and the 997 4.0).
So from a monetary point of view, I am not sure now is the time to buy - how much driving pleasure would you have to forego though until the market corrects (or if it keeps rising, you might never get a car as cheaply is now) is a different story and life is short ...
There really seems to be a real glut of 991 RS's - from that I assume they were made in much higher numbers than ever before for an RS model?
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
MDL111 said:
Slickhillsy said:
Had another look at the Euro RS trend and prices still dropping - https://www.autoscout24.com/classified-detail/deta...
209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
I am missing something crucial here - when was a 991 RS a 160-170k list car. List price was c. 182k and specced cars were nudging 200k (full spec was actually >200k).209K Euro's is still some way over what roughly is a 160k - 170K Euro car list however (question) if these things keep dropping is there every chance the 997.2 car could command a higher value?
For a car of this quality and level there must surely be a bottom (reaches for crystal ball)
UK list was circa £130K + options £150K +/ -
Euro price, well dreaded CCY fluctuations don't help but £130K to Euro (allowing for previously better rates) would be circa 160K Euros (actually 151,950 Euros today). Assuming the pricing was just a straight ccy conversion if ordered in Europe. I could be wrong
Porsche in the UK have been relatively cheap for a while - as a comp a Turbo S costs the same as a Ferrari 488 list in Germany, while in the UK there is a significant gap from memory
you can download the price list here (and I assume you can still configure a car on the configurator): http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/911/911-gt3-...
to the 997.2 RS vs 991 RS point - I do think eventually the 997 will overtake the 991 as they are likely to be much rarer cars and the 991.1 will just be replaced by a similar but better 991.2 (while the 997 might still stand as the last manual affordable RS).
Having said that, it would not surprise me if both of these cars eventually half in value (cheapest 997.2 RS were at 100k not so long ago, see how cheap 964/993 RS cars were not even 10 years ago) as neither is particularly rare or collectable (that honor will probably go the the 991 R and the 997 4.0).
So from a monetary point of view, I am not sure now is the time to buy - how much driving pleasure would you have to forego though until the market corrects (or if it keeps rising, you might never get a car as cheaply is now) is a different story and life is short ...
There really seems to be a real glut of 991 RS's - from that I assume they were made in much higher numbers than ever before for an RS model?
The higher production numbers of the GT3 RS is because it is a great car which is more versatile than previous RS models hence the popularity. It is only obvious that premiums will go down as supply now meets demand but that doesn't change the fact that it is a great car. Buy one at around list and you will not be disappointed. Yes you cant wait a bit longer but from September onwards you might as well put it in the garage and wait for another 6 months before you can enjoy it.
hornbaek said:
The higher production numbers of the GT3 RS is because it is a great car which is more versatile than previous RS models hence the popularity. It is only obvious that premiums will go down as supply now meets demand but that doesn't change the fact that it is a great car. Buy one at around list and you will not be disappointed. Yes you cant wait a bit longer but from September onwards you might as well put it in the garage and wait for another 6 months before you can enjoy it.
Agree with this , it really is an awesome car and all this value s
t could make people think otherwise as people get confused / lines blur , between the car and its value .The only thing I'd disagree with is the window that you can't drive it - I think this is a tiny window - basically snow and ice would not be the best conditions for a 991RS , but if you wanted to everything else is fine as long as you are careful (grip levels in the cold need a bit of thought) There is an argument that says what's the point / not what the RS is for , which I get - but if you want to use it as a daily it's very daily friendly - that's it's genius I guess - 2 cars in one , very sexy package - got to love them
Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 10th August 08:56
RSVP911 said:
hornbaek said:
The higher production numbers of the GT3 RS is because it is a great car which is more versatile than previous RS models hence the popularity. It is only obvious that premiums will go down as supply now meets demand but that doesn't change the fact that it is a great car. Buy one at around list and you will not be disappointed. Yes you cant wait a bit longer but from September onwards you might as well put it in the garage and wait for another 6 months before you can enjoy it.
Agree with this , it really is an awesome car and all this value st could make people think otherwise as people get confused / lines blur , between the car and its value .The only thing I'd disagree with is the window that you can't drive it - I think this is a tiny window - basically snow and ice would not be the best conditions for a 991RS , but if you wanted to everything else is fine as long as you are careful (grip levels in the cold need a bit of thought) There is an argument that says what's the point / not what the RS is for , which I get - but if you want to use it as a daily it's very daily friendly - that's it's genius I guess - 2 cars in one , very sexy package - got to love them
Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 10th August 08:56
VerySideways said:
That's what he's been told. Think it's the last build slot at his OPC.
I was told final build was the end of July. There are apparently a number of cars awaiting undisclosed parts which are currently unavailable combine this with the factory shut down and that is why your friend still has a bit of a wait. RSVP911 said:
Agree with this , it really is an awesome car and all this value st could make people think otherwise as people get confused / lines blur , between the car and its value .
The only thing I'd disagree with is the window that you can't drive it - I think this is a tiny window - basically snow and ice would not be the best conditions for a 991RS , but if you wanted to everything else is fine as long as you are careful (grip levels in the cold need a bit of thought) There is an argument that says what's the point / not what the RS is for , which I get - but if you want to use it as a daily it's very daily friendly - that's it's genius I guess - 2 cars in one , very sexy package - got to love them
I do track days in November and December - infact we have a big gathering in December. Yes, it could be snowed off, yes we won't be setting lap records if the ambient is below 7 degrees....t could make people think otherwise as people get confused / lines blur , between the car and its value .The only thing I'd disagree with is the window that you can't drive it - I think this is a tiny window - basically snow and ice would not be the best conditions for a 991RS , but if you wanted to everything else is fine as long as you are careful (grip levels in the cold need a bit of thought) There is an argument that says what's the point / not what the RS is for , which I get - but if you want to use it as a daily it's very daily friendly - that's it's genius I guess - 2 cars in one , very sexy package - got to love them
Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 10th August 08:56
I think the winter 'shutdown' is a lot shorter than 6 months. Probably mid Dec-end Jan mainly.
robgt3 said:
VerySideways said:
That's what he's been told. Think it's the last build slot at his OPC.
I was told final build was the end of July. There are apparently a number of cars awaiting undisclosed parts which are currently unavailable combine this with the factory shut down and that is why your friend still has a bit of a wait. Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff