Two 911 R's at Goodwood

Two 911 R's at Goodwood

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Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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The R is only worth £400k as there are so few of them, it's simply not a 400k car as the RS was not a £300k car, and is now heading south, below £200 for low spec.
Next few weeks will be interesting with the Brexit debacle. This may well sort itself out very quickly, and mileage become an utter irrelevance on value in the face of the massive ****storm that blonde buffoon has saddled us with. See you on the track.

pistolp

1,719 posts

221 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Robbo66 said:
The R is only worth £400k as there are so few of them, it's simply not a 400k car as the RS was not a £300k car, and is now heading south, below £200 for low spec.
Next few weeks will be interesting with the Brexit debacle. This may well sort itself out very quickly, and mileage become an utter irrelevance on value in the face of the massive ****storm that blonde buffoon has saddled us with. See you on the track.
Would be good if so, with the weakening of the pound we could see a fiscal tightening must earlier than I originally anticipated. Could be a meaningful one too! And agree it'll be a lot more damaging than a few miles on the clock. It's been too easy making money with cars and was always due a bumpy ending.

isaldiri

18,402 posts

167 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Robbo66 said:
I do think aero makes a difference tracking. Others I have spoken to also agree it makes a huge difference on the RS full out. I was at Zandfort watching LT 's muller the RS last week, massive aero on braking and straight line speed eons ahead.
The aero in the RS has been somewhat exaggerated. Even believing the headline number of 300kg at 200mph, at 100mph that's 60kg of downforce. Not many racetracks have a large number of corners you are cornering at close to 100+mph and on a 1500kg car that the RS is, 60kg is not going to increase it's overall grip a huge amount. the 675 is a (much) faster car on track being almost 100kg lighter and having way more power (and costing 2x as much) but it's probably behind the RS in the downforce stakes.

Aero makes a difference in racing for sure. On a road car being tracked for fun where driver variation has far more to do with laptime? I think not.

Edited by isaldiri on Sunday 26th June 23:53

pistolp

1,719 posts

221 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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The 675LT at Zandvoort would have benefited more from the 166bhp or so more power. I'd take that over a marginal increase in downforce anyday. If indeed it does have more downforce.

hornbaek

3,666 posts

234 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Robbo66 said:
The R is only worth £400k as there are so few of them, it's simply not a 400k car as the RS was not a £300k car, and is now heading south, below £200 for low spec.
Next few weeks will be interesting with the Brexit debacle. This may well sort itself out very quickly, and mileage become an utter irrelevance on value in the face of the massive ****storm that blonde buffoon has saddled us with. See you on the track.
The "R" is only worth 400k if anyone is prepared to buy one for that price. It has not happened yet !

991 cars is not that few and i actually believe that this car will be around list in a not too distant future - Brexit or not. If you then add Brexit, and the fact that it has just gotten 10% more expensive i think we will see a massive cooling in the car market in general which will affect everything. We have chosen recession on the basis of some "undefined" benefit og wanting to going it alone. The money wiped off the stockmarket on Friday is real money not the imaginary sums that Farrage and his lot keep slinging around. Difficult times ahead.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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hornbaek said:
. The money wiped off the stockmarket on Friday is real money not the imaginary sums that Farrage and his lot keep slinging around. Difficult times ahead.
what money lost ? the stock market is at 6111 atm in the middle of June is was 5918 ! and In Feb it was 5574 !!

The United Kingdom has the fifth-largest national economy , it's going no where !!

remain voters do post a lot of bull st.

hornbaek

3,666 posts

234 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Porsche911R said:
what money lost ? the stock market is at 6111 atm in the middle of June is was 5918 ! and In Feb it was 5574 !!

The United Kingdom has the fifth-largest national economy , it's going no where !!

remain voters do post a lot of bull st.
Let me come with a more concrete example. RBS, in which the UK Government holds a 78% stake (and was about to sell off more to raise cash for the public funds) is down more than 30% since last Friday. That is more than 10 billion pounds of lost revenue for the Government. Go figure !

The amount of self-harm we have inflicted on ourselves takes a beating. I am not a staunch EU supporter by any means but to think that Brexit does not come with a massive bill ist just plain naive. Maybe we will be able to rise from here but we haven't had a great start - lets just agree that.

Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 10:28

BMCG

484 posts

135 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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how's this for a datapoint...particularly given exchange rates reflect percieved/expected/relative economic vibrancy...the Great British Peso...is now at 1.32...(per the Bloomberg at 11.31am)....

that's a level not visited since the absolute cycle bottom in 1985...

so as for the UK being the fifth largest global economy...well its either (depending on which methodology you use) neck and neck with France for being number six...or already declined to number six...

that's some definite "economic deficit" just since Friday..




Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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hornbaek said:
Let me come with a more concrete example. RBS, in which the UK Government holds a 78% stake (and was about to sell off more to raise cash for the public funds) is down more than 30% since last Friday. That is more than 10 billion pounds of lost revenue for the Government. Go figure !

The amount of self-harm we have inflicted on ourselves takes a beating. I am not a staunch EU supporter by any means but to think that Brexit does not come with a massive bill ist just plain naive. Maybe we will be able to rise from here but we haven't had a great start - lets just agree that.
some shares went up 15% some went down like Banks and buildings, you just cannot quote the banking sector and say trillions has been knocked off the stock market as that's just not true.

RBS shares have been this low more than 3 times in the last 3 months !! SO it's poor to just quote one of todays top 10 loosers !

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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hornbaek said:
Porsche911R said:
what money lost ? the stock market is at 6111 atm in the middle of June is was 5918 ! and In Feb it was 5574 !!

The United Kingdom has the fifth-largest national economy , it's going no where !!

remain voters do post a lot of bull st.
Let me come with a more concrete example. RBS, in which the UK Government holds a 78% stake (and was about to sell off more to raise cash for the public funds) is down more than 30% since last Friday. That is more than 10 billion pounds of lost revenue for the Government. Go figure !

The amount of self-harm we have inflicted on ourselves takes a beating. I am not a staunch EU supporter by any means but to think that Brexit does not come with a massive bill ist just plain naive. Maybe we will be able to rise from here but we haven't had a great start - lets just agree that.

Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 10:28
You're wasting your time Chris...this will never compute I'm afraid.

Living proof that a North Korea may have it right... it should never have gone to referendum.

hornbaek

3,666 posts

234 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Porsche911R said:
some shares went up 15% some went down like Banks and buildings, you just cannot quote the banking sector and say trillions has been knocked off the stock market as that's just not true.

RBS shares have been this low more than 3 times in the last 3 months !! SO it's poor to just quote one of todays top 10 loosers !
Its only that the Government OWNS 73% of RBS. If that is not an act of selfharm i have a hard time finding a more pertinent example. (Or the fact that Wales that receives EU grants to the rune of 100 million voted out and now wants the money from the Government). I rest my case but i truly think we are buggered.

...and btw, there was not a single share that gained 15% ( Rangold Ressources gained 10.45% as the highest gainer in the FTSE. )

... and at 172p RBS has never been lower - EVER

Facts !

Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 15:38


Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 15:43

hunter 66

3,886 posts

219 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Randgold did 16% on Friday and another 7 so far today ........but hopefully back to Cars soon ...... maybe no more "halo " models in RHD as punishment

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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hornbaek said:
Its only that the Government OWNS 73% of RBS. If that is not an act of selfharm i have a hard time finding a more pertinent example. (Or the fact that Wales that receives EU grants to the rune of 100 million voted out and now wants the money from the Government). I rest my case but i truly think we are buggered.

...and btw, there was not a single share that gained 15% ( Rangold Ressources gained 10.45% as the highest gainer in the FTSE. )

... and at 172p RBS has never been lower - EVER

Facts !

Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 15:38


Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th June 15:43
If you look at the $ , the FTSE 100/250 all off between 10-15 % points from a year ago - remember the market had already priced in the possibility of Brexit , so looking back a few weeks / months is non sensical . So price of Petrol / goods will rise significantly in the months to come - followed by either inflation or a lack of consumption , this coupled with an immediate loss of confidence from individuals / institutions to spend / invest will lead to the biggest financial fk up for a generation - how the leavers can't see what they've done is beyond me - angry doesn't quite cut it for me - in fairness , some of them will be sitting there thinking : "st" already , for others it will come , some will just blame everyone else . It's not all bad news , at least we'll stop talking about car values - this will become irrelevant soon enough !


Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 27th June 18:23

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I am hoping for a 20% house price drop.

it's looks like the super rich are pissed off and the rest of us are happy.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Porsche911R said:
I am hoping for a 20% house price drop.

it's looks like the super rich are pissed off and the rest of us are happy.
I am luckier than some , but by no means super rich - my concern is far wider than personal interest , I genuinely think this will affect everyone and in truth the irony is , the people who will be the most affected are the people who can least afford it , not the wealthy . I honestly can't believe that you can't see this as a fundamental problem - its a mess and its going to end in tears. The economic consequences are one thing , but the rise in nationalistic fervour is more worrying still and as everyone knows there tends to be a link between the two and as such , i think that this will get worse as peoples living standards decline : I saw a photo today that really threw me - a nationalistic banner with the NF logo on it - I had forgotten that this logo existed ; I haven't seen it since I was a child / young man - really very upsetting.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I'm a farmer and have been been a subsidy junkie all my working life and i voted out as did all progressive farmers i know!.In a way i was voting against my featherbedded Eu handouts but the the point is that UK agriculture in its current form is decaying at an alarming rate.IMHO the advantage of EU handouts in all UK industries has created an inefficient and lazy generation due to the ever increasing draconian,petty and stifling EU rules.The average UK worker is currently the least productive in the western world and last year we ran up a record £96.2Billion trade deficit with the rest of the world and we still have a near £80Billion public deficit.The UK buys over 20% of all german cars with a population of just 1% of the world and we are also the largest consumer of french wine outside of France.
Believe me Europe needs our trade despite BREXIT!.

Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 27th June 22:54

hornbaek

3,666 posts

234 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Taffy66 said:
I'm a farmer and have been been a subsidy junkie all my working life and i voted out as did all progressive farmers i know!.In a way i was voting against my featherbedded Eu handouts but the the point is that UK agriculture in its current form is decaying at an alarming rate.IMHO the advantage of EU handouts in all UK industries has created an inefficient and lazy generation due to the ever increasing draconian,petty and stifling EU rules.The average UK worker is currently the least productive in the western world and last year we ran up a record £96.2Billion trade deficit with the rest of the world and we still have a near £80Billion public deficit.The UK buys over 20% of all german cars with a population of just 1% of the world and we are also the largest consumer of french wine outside of France.
Believe me Europe needs our trade despite BREXIT!.

Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 27th June 22:54
Brexit is bad for all, not only for the UK. But precisely due to the problems that you mention, Britain will suffer by far the most. It is very disconcerting now to hear that even the strongest supporters of Brexit are backtracking fast on the naive promises they gave just 5 days ago. This was a headless action of a group of politicians who embraced a populist propaganda in order to gain power. Now that they have created the chaos they dont own up to it and everybody will have to pay the price. The nationalist propaganda emerging shortly after the vote is only going to gain ground as everybody is now suffering the consequences. This is not uniquely a British problem but we are now on our own having to sort it out against the odds.

Edited by hornbaek on Tuesday 28th June 10:48