At last - MPs agree all-lane running is dangerous!

At last - MPs agree all-lane running is dangerous!

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Riley Blue

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20,914 posts

225 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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The Transport Select Committee has agreed something we've been saying on PH all along; that all-lane running on motorways is dangerous and should be scrapped:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36664116

Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Hallelujah!

eybic

9,212 posts

173 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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I wonder if it'll make any difference, probably not frown

2Btoo

3,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Yes, but in doing so they give themselves another problem. All-lane running was a small sticking plaster on the problem of our badly overcrowded roads. How much danger are they going to accept in order to avoid having to spend the necessary money to improve our infrastructure?

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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The engineers who designed these roads included hard shoulders for a damn good reason. The yanks even mandate two of them... an inner and an outer.

As the EU referendum shows, British politicians only care about the short term and couldn't give two hoots about the country 20 years down the road.


Edited by skyrover on Thursday 30th June 09:10

uuf361

3,154 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Are they suggesting that we should build more lanes instead though?

If there's a problem, it still needs fixing!

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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uuf361 said:
If there's a problem, it still needs fixing!
Yes, get the tw**s who do 50mph out of the middle lane......

spookly

4,011 posts

94 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Jasandjules said:
uuf361 said:
If there's a problem, it still needs fixing!
Yes, get the tw**s who do 50mph out of the middle lane......
Agreed. And move them into rehabilitation camps and crush their cars :-)

Hitch

6,100 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.

That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?

tankplanker

2,479 posts

278 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.

That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is probably the only other quick fix that they could do that would help with rush hour traffic.

Extra lanes are a sticking plaster as well, abet one that is expensive and time consuming to implement and not always possible due to encroachment from the surroundings.

We need more A roads and Motorways, but that is going to be very expensive. Even if they went with green lighting more toll roads to cut the cost to the tax payer it would still take years to design, get approval and build all of the roads we would need.

RicksAlfas

13,354 posts

243 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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The M62 has sections where the hard shoulder is available for use at certain times. Hardly anyone uses it.

I think they should finally relent and allow passing on both sides. It would remove a huge amount of aggression and tail gating and allow all our carriageways to be used all of the time.

PositronicRay

26,954 posts

182 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.

That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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PositronicRay said:
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.

That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again.
Yes, seems to be a lack of understanding of supply chains and logistics.

chasingracecars

1,696 posts

96 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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I hate all lane running on B roads!! Driving that close to the edge scares me!!!

This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.

How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?

Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!

bobtail4x4

3,701 posts

108 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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when they were widening the M25 a while ago, i wondered why, as people only seem to use the outer two lanes,

Riley Blue

Original Poster:

20,914 posts

225 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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chasingracecars said:
I hate all lane running on B roads!! Driving that close to the edge scares me!!!

This is being done because half (I recon) drivers on British roads can't drive and wouldn't pass a test. I think these systems work. They are only dangerous because of the idiots that can't drive.

How many severe accidents have there been on managed motorways vs the three lanes with congestion?

Oh yes I get it now, empty hard shoulders can run police down to escort the PM's to tea and cakes at Parliament!
Hard shoulders are where vehicles seek refuge if they breakdown. There have been well reported incidents where drivers have not obeyed 'lane closed' signs and run into stationary vehicles on stretches of all-lane running, most notably the one in which three men were killed by a coach near Toddington services on the M1.

nickfrog

20,871 posts

216 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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2Btoo said:
All-lane running was a small sticking plaster on the problem of our badly overcrowded roads.
They're only over crowded as lot of the capacity (50%?) is wasted through total lack of understanding of lane discipline and comfort braking.

Educate people (not gonna happen I know) and then see how large the residual problem is (pretty small IMO).

2Btoo

3,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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nickfrog said:
2Btoo said:
All-lane running was a small sticking plaster on the problem of our badly overcrowded roads.
They're only over crowded as lot of the capacity (50%?) is wasted through total lack of understanding of lane discipline and comfort braking.

Educate people (not gonna happen I know) and then see how large the residual problem is (pretty small IMO).
Very true. However it seems that allowing people to behave stupidly is a central tenet of the policing of our roads.

ging84

8,825 posts

145 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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roads like the A3 and A23 are as busy or busier and as fast or faster than most motorways i have driven on, yet no one is crying out for a hardshoulder to be built on these.

People get upset when you take anything away from them

Hitch

6,100 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Europa1 said:
PositronicRay said:
Hitch said:
Lorries should only be allowed to operate between 7pm and 7am. This would be unfortunate for lorry drivers, but that role will be phased out due to automation anyway. It would free up the outside lane for cars (hardly any use it at present) and stop snail racing taking up two lanes and creating barriers which slow people down every mile or two.

That and these ridiculously expensive automated motorways should be designed to enforce speed, tailgating and keeping left unless overtaking. That can't be that hard can it?
This is ridiculous. Lorry drives overnight waits for a business to open, tips his partial load. Then stuck during daylight hours, drives to next drop, waits until until open, then stuck again.
Yes, seems to be a lack of understanding of supply chains and logistics.
Or maybe the other parts of the system could adapt also. Lorry drives at night, night store person accepts stock, lorry leaves. There are feck all lorries on the road over night so I don't buy that it requires a 24 hour operation in most circumstances.