OPC Porsche dealer issue - advice needed
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Piedpiper01 said:
I think buying your first Porsche should be special experience. Waiting for a call back but not sure they care about the experience and have just offered deposit back.
Appreciate everyone's views. They are in line with mine..
1.) it's under warranty who cares etx.
Vs
2.) it's been thrashed for 4k and could cause problems later.
Is a big outlay too but do love car itself
If you get the ecu printout, it will tell how many times it's been revved Up to the limit (or over) and how many times launch control has been used - mine was zero for rr1 to rr6 and no launch control used. Some minor RR1 and possibly RR2 is not a problem. Major time spent in RR1/2 and beyond with lots of launch control use will be a possible clutch and engine issue and indicates thrashing. Appreciate everyone's views. They are in line with mine..
1.) it's under warranty who cares etx.
Vs
2.) it's been thrashed for 4k and could cause problems later.
Is a big outlay too but do love car itself
The going balls out acceleration on a cold engine will also cause premature engine wear. Much less so on a warm engine
If you are always under warranty no probs - providing there is nothing in RR3 and beyond and the car has not been excessively tracked iirc (according to opc Swindon when I asked the question)
Range 1 - 7200-7500 (7300 - 7500 for 911)
Range 2 - 7500-7700
Range 3 - 7700-7900
Range 4 - 7900-8400
Range 5 - 8400-9500
Range 6 - 9500 and up. This occurs when the engine is mechanically overreved by shifting into a lower gear and mechanically exceeding the rev-limiter.
It has only had c.700 ignitions in rev range 1. So based on calculations has spent 2 seconds of its life at the limiter.
Spoke to the head of another OPC, who thinks that after 6 years it's probably irrelevant, doesn't impact the value of the car, is under warranty so wouldn't worry.
Also the car is very low mileage. Is roughly 13k to be precise.
Main concern is clutch and would probably always want warranty in place. I probably would have felt I wanted that anyway.
Spoke to the head of another OPC, who thinks that after 6 years it's probably irrelevant, doesn't impact the value of the car, is under warranty so wouldn't worry.
Also the car is very low mileage. Is roughly 13k to be precise.
Main concern is clutch and would probably always want warranty in place. I probably would have felt I wanted that anyway.
Re the owner numbers; Why the car had 4 owners in 7 years? that's a bit too much, considering the fact that 911 997 is a fantastic car!
Warranty is just a number on the paper for me. Yes OPC can throw a let's say 2 years warranty, as they all the information, parts and man-power but how about your ownership? assuming the car is about 25-30k (at least), I would be pretty pissed off if the car creates a major issue after the purchase and goes to service for a few weeks at least, rather than simply enjoying the car.
Warranty is just a number on the paper for me. Yes OPC can throw a let's say 2 years warranty, as they all the information, parts and man-power but how about your ownership? assuming the car is about 25-30k (at least), I would be pretty pissed off if the car creates a major issue after the purchase and goes to service for a few weeks at least, rather than simply enjoying the car.
Edited by ooid on Friday 1st July 21:01
Edited by ooid on Friday 1st July 21:04
hondansx said:
I bought a GT3 off an OPC and had forgotten to take the service book with me after buying. Turns out, there wasn't one to take! Took months to get a replacement and then, shock horror, the service history was patchy.
It was a wake up call that you never trust a salesman. I went to an OPC for security; now i'll never take 'their word' again!
Couldn't agree more. These OPCs are just sales operations at the end of the day. It was a wake up call that you never trust a salesman. I went to an OPC for security; now i'll never take 'their word' again!
My advice would be to buy a low owner car privately, from an enthusiast on the likes of pistonheads, having had a PPI done by a reputable company, and then purchase a Porsche 2 year warranty when you hit the 3 month point.
Piedpiper01 said:
It has only had c.700 ignitions in rev range 1. So based on calculations has spent 2 seconds of its life at the limiter.
Spoke to the head of another OPC, who thinks that after 6 years it's probably irrelevant, doesn't impact the value of the car, is under warranty so wouldn't worry.
Also the car is very low mileage. Is roughly 13k to be precise.
Main concern is clutch and would probably always want warranty in place. I probably would have felt I wanted that anyway.
2 secs in RR1/on the limiter and possibly no launch control - no probs in buying that, especially since it will have initial two years opc warranty to begin with.Spoke to the head of another OPC, who thinks that after 6 years it's probably irrelevant, doesn't impact the value of the car, is under warranty so wouldn't worry.
Also the car is very low mileage. Is roughly 13k to be precise.
Main concern is clutch and would probably always want warranty in place. I probably would have felt I wanted that anyway.
Obviously don't buy on mileage, buy on condition. Seat bolster's, pedals show little wear? Leading edges of exterior have little or no stone chips? Minimal swirling on paintwork? Etc etc
Clutch should last at least until 25k and probably nearer 40k-60k. If it goes at 25k, opc should pay a portion of it anyway especially if you do 12k in the first year. Even without a warranty, and because I had a full opc service record, opc Bristol paid 90% of my thermostat problem - the car was 5 year old and it shouldn't have gone.
anonymous said:
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+1That's what I did 4 years ago!
Bought from a PH person - saw his house, car collection and enthusiasm. Dropped off at OPC with paperwork, got OPC to inspect it and apply two years warranty. Once I new this was in place and all ok, fully paid up, guy confirmed and opc released the car to me.
Saved me at least 10k on the OPC price and allowed me to put a proper detailer onto the bodywork
Very convenient for me and the buyer - no waiting on either side. Car in a secure OPC compound and fully insured.
To add, have a 3 year warranty thrown in by OPC. Price looks good compared to private cars with double the mileage.
Dealer is quite far away, but are transporting vehicle etc and have addressed all the cosmetic issues I noticed.
Spec is good etc and nothing indicates abuse that I have seen. Still to speak to dealer post my discovery re car.
No other cars available with this low mileage. Has had only two private owners post being a demo car for the dealership. Also has aero pack which is very rare and I like. Personal choice I know..
Dealer is quite far away, but are transporting vehicle etc and have addressed all the cosmetic issues I noticed.
Spec is good etc and nothing indicates abuse that I have seen. Still to speak to dealer post my discovery re car.
No other cars available with this low mileage. Has had only two private owners post being a demo car for the dealership. Also has aero pack which is very rare and I like. Personal choice I know..
Second hand is second hand, but I agree with cmoose, with a demo, mechanically unsympathetic use is a given.
I'm an arable farmer & "metal" is a big part of my time. Believe me stressed machines operating when not up to temperature is to be avoided.
Much like myself first thing in the morning!!
I'm an arable farmer & "metal" is a big part of my time. Believe me stressed machines operating when not up to temperature is to be avoided.
Much like myself first thing in the morning!!
Piedpiper01 said:
2010 - 6 years 13k miles. 3.5k as demo.
A 13k mile Gen 2 997 with a full Porsche warranty? Forget the doom mongers mate and have fun in your car. If there was one thing I learned about Porsche ownership it was the a lot of the owners are moaning pedantic yaps that care more about spec lists, potential catastrophic breakdowns and residual values than enjoying the actual cars they've bought.
I would never consider buying ex demo, even more so if the dealer can't / won't be honest up front.
Some years ago I purchased an ex demo Discovery from a main dealer , only 2000 miles sir ........ After numerous problems I found out from Landrover that it had spent the first 12 months of its life at their factory on the The Landrover driving experience centre !!! Needless to say it went back .
Which brings me to Porsche my son and I spent a very enjoyable morning a few weeks ago at the Porsche experience centre at Silverstone, driving a 991 GT3 RS . It was almost a no holds barred experience between us we must have racked up 10 launch control starts . The instructor said that was quite normal for a session . It had about 3k on the clock and I presume it will get sold through at some point ........
Some years ago I purchased an ex demo Discovery from a main dealer , only 2000 miles sir ........ After numerous problems I found out from Landrover that it had spent the first 12 months of its life at their factory on the The Landrover driving experience centre !!! Needless to say it went back .
Which brings me to Porsche my son and I spent a very enjoyable morning a few weeks ago at the Porsche experience centre at Silverstone, driving a 991 GT3 RS . It was almost a no holds barred experience between us we must have racked up 10 launch control starts . The instructor said that was quite normal for a session . It had about 3k on the clock and I presume it will get sold through at some point ........
Piedpiper01 said:
To add, have a 3 year warranty thrown in by OPC. Price looks good compared to private cars with double the mileage.
Dealer is quite far away, but are transporting vehicle etc and have addressed all the cosmetic issues I noticed.
Spec is good etc and nothing indicates abuse that I have seen. Still to speak to dealer post my discovery re car.
No other cars available with this low mileage. Has had only two private owners post being a demo car for the dealership. Also has aero pack which is very rare and I like. Personal choice I know..
RR1/2 ok. No of previous owners reasonable for a 7 yo car. Mileage good and has a very long warranty and reasonable price. Spec is right.Dealer is quite far away, but are transporting vehicle etc and have addressed all the cosmetic issues I noticed.
Spec is good etc and nothing indicates abuse that I have seen. Still to speak to dealer post my discovery re car.
No other cars available with this low mileage. Has had only two private owners post being a demo car for the dealership. Also has aero pack which is very rare and I like. Personal choice I know..
OP it's a personal choice, but it look right to me.
If you keep the car for say 4 years and keep the mileage reasonable, no of owners will still be good, you can extend the warranty for two years (at year 3) for possible private sale/peace of mind. More importantly you will have driven a special, all weather, giant slaying 911 - the 997.2 turbo tipped the balance for me
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