991 TS vs R8 V10+ vs 570S. Supercar Track Battle!
Discussion
isaldiri said:
Budflicker said:
I think all this paying well over list for a GT3 or RS or the 911R is just crazy when you can just walk in to Mclaren and order a 540c or 570s for list price, wait a few months and off you go.
I love Porsche but those Mclarens are really on another level all together.
...but...you could never make any all important overs in the 570 unlike the GT cars... I love Porsche but those Mclarens are really on another level all together.
the 570 will be almost 200kg lighter than either of the other 2ncars in the video. That alone makes it a no brainer as the better car to drive although that v10 does skew things more than a bit back in favour of the R8...
Edited by isaldiri on Friday 22 July 18:26
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
AndrewD said:
cayman-black said:
All this talk about the Audi, The McLaren is easily the best car here.
Best for what?I wouldn't want to depend on one to start in all weathers, get me to the station at 5.30am on a blustery dark winter morning etc. I'm sure it is very nice in many ways though.
footsoldier said:
The problem arises when you think you can't get an R, so walk to McLaren and order a 570; wait a few months, then get told you can get an R...which will arrive at the same time. This development was not factored in to man maths...
You have my deepest sympathy. :-) I'm pleased the R worked out for you. I presume the 918 would have been enough to qualify in the US.
I know it's hard to feel sorry for Porsche, but how on earth do you allocate these cars? Somewhere between DP's mates and a lottery would be nice.
footsoldier said:
The problem arises when you think you can't get an R, so walk to McLaren and order a 570; wait a few months, then get told you can get an R...which will arrive at the same time. This development was not factored in to man maths...
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
nice problem to have.... But the 570gt and R are going to be such different cars you could easily stretch man maths to keep both...Or on 2nd thoughts, flog the Mclaren off asap as you must be one of the first to receive one for list and use that to buy a 7.2RS or 6RS to properly give you a problem in deciding whether the R is worth the hype/trouble
Magic919 said:
footsoldier said:
The problem arises when you think you can't get an R, so walk to McLaren and order a 570; wait a few months, then get told you can get an R...which will arrive at the same time. This development was not factored in to man maths...
You have my deepest sympathy. :-) I'm pleased the R worked out for you. I presume the 918 would have been enough to qualify in the US.
I know it's hard to feel sorry for Porsche, but how on earth do you allocate these cars? Somewhere between DP's mates and a lottery would be nice.
TBH, if I'd been told early on that there was someone ahead of me in queue at dealer, I would have been pissed off with low numbers, but could have understood why I wasn't first. The other guy has a longer buying record than I do, and only 1'car allocated by PGB. I also conceptually agree that these things should be spread around other customers, otherwise it's self-perpetuating, but am still selfish!
what I was annoyed about was being first down on list, and told I would definitely get one, then being gazumped without anyone even letting me know.
Anyway, to be fair to them all, they must have taken situation on board, and as of last week, it's now sorted (without any more pressure from me as I had walked away and moved on). So, fair enough, all is good again. I do get why others are unhappy though, as I've seen both sides of it!
To be fair to Porsche, the US issue and knock on to ROW availability has only happened because the market has gone mad since the time they had to incentivise 918 sales. Looking at CGT prices at the time, and sales rate, I genuinely expected 918 to depreciate. It still might...
Porsche couldn't have foreseen the demand going through the roof for specials, when they promised rights to US. Now they are tied into it contractually, and Amercians are not known for being lawyer shy! Ironically enough, I bet the 918 would sell out very quickly without any bonuses now.
One thing I've heard, which is logical, is that 918 owners go over the top on options and personalisation, so average spend is greater than it would be otherwise. Meaning that Porsche is happy to keep selling them stuff. Don't know if there's any plan behind that, but it makes sense,
I know some of the US owners, and many of them would have gone for PDK in R if it was available...I don't think they would have all snapped it up without the apparent profit built-in.
Then again, they signed up to a promise, in good faith, which might have come to not very much as no R etc was on the horizon. They thought they were just getting first dibs on the next Turbo S and Panamera! Not an easy one, as circumstances have changed and the agreements last for 10 years if they keep the 918 for 3years I think. Probably next time round they will just make more cars.
Good thing is that the R has brought back the manual for next GT3 I'm sure. In the meantime, I'm planning to drive the treadblocks off it!
Edited by footsoldier on Saturday 23 July 11:27
Edited by footsoldier on Saturday 23 July 11:30
isaldiri said:
footsoldier said:
The problem arises when you think you can't get an R, so walk to McLaren and order a 570; wait a few months, then get told you can get an R...which will arrive at the same time. This development was not factored in to man maths...
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
nice problem to have.... But the 570gt and R are going to be such different cars you could easily stretch man maths to keep both...Or on 2nd thoughts, flog the Mclaren off asap as you must be one of the first to receive one for list and use that to buy a 7.2RS or 6RS to properly give you a problem in deciding whether the R is worth the hype/trouble
Despite the mad market, I'm just not going to sell the R, given the moaning I did about not getting one to begin with. Just going to assume that I can drive it as much as I want without it ever costing me anything, which is good enough,
footsoldier said:
isaldiri said:
Budflicker said:
I think all this paying well over list for a GT3 or RS or the 911R is just crazy when you can just walk in to Mclaren and order a 540c or 570s for list price, wait a few months and off you go.
I love Porsche but those Mclarens are really on another level all together.
...but...you could never make any all important overs in the 570 unlike the GT cars... I love Porsche but those Mclarens are really on another level all together.
the 570 will be almost 200kg lighter than either of the other 2ncars in the video. That alone makes it a no brainer as the better car to drive although that v10 does skew things more than a bit back in favour of the R8...
Edited by isaldiri on Friday 22 July 18:26
It's a 570 'GT' at least - does that mean I can get the overs?
Tony 1234 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
650 spider is not reliable? compared next to what ? a Honda ?
To a comparable car obviously !!, I did not need a 240 mile round trip every other month to have a 'niggle' sorted.I suspect that most comparable cars (ferrari, lamborghini - are there others?) have similar niggles .... I do not count an audi R8 or any 911 as comparable btw
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