996 GT3 Club Sport?

996 GT3 Club Sport?

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Fokker

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3,460 posts

221 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Leather seats? Called them and they reckon its a CS car from factory.
Fire extinguisher looks to be wrong size too?

Was previously on GT03 CHR. i could be interested but a few things seem a bit odd including the black air scoop on the engine lid?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Edited by Fokker on Friday 22 July 15:09

berty37

623 posts

138 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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I think the 996 was the last of the designated Club sport cars Fokker so ask for the VIN - -people on here will know more than me but I think there is a designated number or code and that will tell you if its an original Clubsport I think it says M003 or something?

EVOeng

957 posts

169 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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As said, if it is a genuine Clubsport then it should have the M003 code on the sticker, under the bonnet.
In addition to the seats being leather rather than Nomex, the yellow cage would have originally been black and it does look like a genuine Clubsport cage.

DAB964RS

214 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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EVOeng said:
As said, if it is a genuine Clubsport then it should have the M003 code on the sticker, under the bonnet.
In addition to the seats being leather rather than Nomex, the yellow cage would have originally been black and it does look like a genuine Clubsport cage.
Porsche stopped fitting the under bonnet sticker in 2005, so this car may not have one. A similar sticker should be present in the service book.If it's a genuine,CS code M003 would be listed as an option within the sticker.

I can't see the battery cut off switch in the interior photo, although it may be obscured by the steering wheel. There should also be a battery cut off cable in the nearside bulkhead area of the boot -it's a shame there's no photo of the boot area in the advert. I'm sure it would have been possible to order an M003 car with leather seats, more detailed photos and a physical inspection would be needed to conclude whether this car is a CS.

Hatch2016

2 posts

92 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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This is a genuine Clubsport, options were leather seats, battery cut off is under the bonnet, not inside , none were not even on an RS, the cage was painted and is original.
A lot of the comments you are making are complete bull, I remember now what door nobs a lot of you are.
As for the intake on the boot , it is a carbon copy of the one fitted to the RS.i owned the car for 8 years having bought it from Porsche Silverstone !!!

g7jhp

6,958 posts

237 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Hatch2016 said:
This is a genuine Clubsport, options were leather seats, battery cut off is under the bonnet, not inside , none were not even on an RS, the cage was painted and is original.
A lot of the comments you are making are complete bull, I remember now what door nobs a lot of you are.
As for the intake on the boot , it is a carbon copy of the one fitted to the RS.i owned the car for 8 years having bought it from Porsche Silverstone !!!
Signed up to comment, ace lurking.

At least it sets the straight! biggrin

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Except that the vitriol is uncalled for.

Fact. On the 996GT3 MkI CS there were two cut-offs -- one in front of the gear lever inside the car and a second on a switch with steel lanyard connected under the rear edge of the bonnet on the near side.

I'd be interested to know where the cut-off is on the 996MkII CS --- I own a 997MkI CS which has provision for a battery cut-off but I have never found it ... ??


Hatch2016

2 posts

92 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Sorry if anybody was offended, but the fact is the car is a MK2(one cut off), and so many cars get dissed on these forums for no reason.
That car is awesome and however buys it will love it.

nxi20

778 posts

204 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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ChrisW. said:
I'd be interested to know where the cut-off is on the 996MkII CS --- I own a 997MkI CS which has provision for a battery cut-off but I have never found it ... ??
On the 996.2, the cutoff was only "preparation for"; it was a pull on the nearside at the rear of the bonnet. The actual hardware had to be purchased for, IIRC, around £700. Consequently, it's rare to encounter a CS that has a working cutoff.

Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Nice car. The Mk1 had a fully fitted cut off on the dash/consul. As already said here, the mk2 was prepped for one but it wasn't fitted. From memory nor did it have a lightweight flywheel like the mk1. The RS had one.

Looks lovely in speed yellow.

Ranman

44 posts

245 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Gotta love speed yellow.
The very car from some time ago.
If your looking for one of the best original analog no driver aids cars, this is perfect.



Caption competition?

Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Agreed. Very good cars and much undervalued compared to other, far less involving and rewarding cars that command far higher prices. A driving experience which should be on the bucket list of any serious driver.

nigelonich

1,017 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I went 'backwards' from a 997.2 gt3 Cs to a 996.2 gt3 Cs. The 996 isn't as pretty but as the comment above after I fitted CUP2's and Ohlins R&T the car is fantastic. The engine and gearbox are typical gt3 and I don't feel any big effects from the loss of the 0.2L.

The 996 gt3 and the GT4 gained identical lap times in a recent Evo test. The GT4 is a 3.8 and basically 16 years more advanced?

I do miss traction control though!

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Hatch2016 said:
Sorry if anybody was offended, but the fact is the car is a MK2(one cut off), and so many cars get dissed on these forums for no reason.
That car is awesome and however buys it will love it.
No probs !! Thanks.

'My turn to share something I knew -- and learn something I did not smile

Yes the 996.1 CS also had the single mass flywheel and the story goes that all these engines which homologated the Cup and R endurance racers, were hand built at Weissach whilst all later cars were built at Stuttgart ...

Maybe somebody can clarify if the cars themselves were assembled at Weissach, or just the CS or ??? If not Weissach (for capacity reasons) it was I am told, Werks 1.

???


berty37

623 posts

138 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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ChrisW. said:
No probs !! Thanks.

'My turn to share something I knew -- and learn something I did not smile

Yes the 996.1 CS also had the single mass flywheel and the story goes that all these engines which homologated the Cup and R endurance racers, were hand built at Weissach whilst all later cars were built at Stuttgart ...

Maybe somebody can clarify if the cars themselves were assembled at Weissach, or just the CS or ??? If not Weissach (for capacity reasons) it was I am told, Werks 1.

???
I was one who believed that the Mk1 996 GT3 was the last car to be made at Weissach but I have since found out this isn't true. The R, RSR and Cup were but the road going cars were all built at Zuffenhausen with like todays GT cars, just the development at Weissach. I think from 997 onward no car inclu cups etc was built at Weissach. Also a point above re painted cage, my mate had a 996 RS that had a painted white cage from the factory as well as a couple of leather interior bits like the side door bins and as I remember going through the service book sticker these were not listed as separate codes just something like 099 or a similar 'generic' code.

Mousem40

1,667 posts

216 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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berty37 said:
I was one who believed that the Mk1 996 GT3 was the last car to be made at Weissach but I have since found out this isn't true. The R, RSR and Cup were but the road going cars were all built at Zuffenhausen with like todays GT cars, just the development at Weissach. I think from 997 onward no car inclu cups etc was built at Weissach. Also a point above re painted cage, my mate had a 996 RS that had a painted white cage from the factory as well as a couple of leather interior bits like the side door bins and as I remember going through the service book sticker these were not listed as separate codes just something like 099 or a similar 'generic' code.
Since found out from where? (Not doubting you, just wanted to know the source of this myth-buster)

berty37

623 posts

138 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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Mousem40 said:
berty37 said:
I was one who believed that the Mk1 996 GT3 was the last car to be made at Weissach but I have since found out this isn't true. The R, RSR and Cup were but the road going cars were all built at Zuffenhausen with like todays GT cars, just the development at Weissach. I think from 997 onward no car inclu cups etc was built at Weissach. Also a point above re painted cage, my mate had a 996 RS that had a painted white cage from the factory as well as a couple of leather interior bits like the side door bins and as I remember going through the service book sticker these were not listed as separate codes just something like 099 or a similar 'generic' code.
Since found out from where? (Not doubting you, just wanted to know the source of this myth-buster)
This was taken from another thread by a Pher with a 996.1 GT3.

'It's not true that they where built at Weissach, and just because everyone repeats this myth doesn't make it true. Since I own a mk1 I would really like this to be true, but it isn't.


The best available information about the development and production of 996 GT3 (and every other Porsche for that matter)is to be found in "Excellence was expected" by Karl Ludvigsen. I hold this as the most credible source for the public for anything Porsche, and there is much detail about how the GT3 came about. Regarding the Production of the street 996 GT3 this can be found here:

The first batch of 1350 cars of the 996 GT3 street version was produced at Zuffenhausen in late 1999. The number of cars and the production time available was limited to this window due to the start of the 996 Turbo Production in nthe beginning of 2000, and had the GT3 been produced at Weissach this wouldn't have been an issue.
The second batch of 508 cars cars was produced in September-November of 2000 due to the strong demand for the car, and again the production time and number was due to finding a gap in the regular production line.

Furthermore, even the Cup cars was produced at the Zuffenhausen line but final assambly of typical 80-90 cars yearly was done at Weissach, and this was stretched to the limit with 131 cars for 2002.
The only car built in it's entity (on a base from Zuffenhausen)at Weissach was the GT3R racer at a rate of 15 cars a month. There is nothing to suggest that Weissach was anywhere close to have the capacity of hand assembling 1858 street cars, quite the contrary.


Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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To be honest it's of no real consiquesnce. Its what the car is, it's substance rather than where it was built.

ChrisW.

6,208 posts

254 months

Thursday 28th July 2016
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berty37 said:
This was taken from another thread by a Pher with a 996.1 GT3.

'It's not true that they where built at Weissach, and just because everyone repeats this myth doesn't make it true. Since I own a mk1 I would really like this to be true, but it isn't.


The best available information about the development and production of 996 GT3 (and every other Porsche for that matter)is to be found in "Excellence was expected" by Karl Ludvigsen. I hold this as the most credible source for the public for anything Porsche, and there is much detail about how the GT3 came about. Regarding the Production of the street 996 GT3 this can be found here:

The first batch of 1350 cars of the 996 GT3 street version was produced at Zuffenhausen in late 1999. The number of cars and the production time available was limited to this window due to the start of the 996 Turbo Production in nthe beginning of 2000, and had the GT3 been produced at Weissach this wouldn't have been an issue.
The second batch of 508 cars cars was produced in September-November of 2000 due to the strong demand for the car, and again the production time and number was due to finding a gap in the regular production line.

Furthermore, even the Cup cars was produced at the Zuffenhausen line but final assambly of typical 80-90 cars yearly was done at Weissach, and this was stretched to the limit with 131 cars for 2002.
The only car built in it's entity (on a base from Zuffenhausen)at Weissach was the GT3R racer at a rate of 15 cars a month. There is nothing to suggest that Weissach was anywhere close to have the capacity of hand assembling 1858 street cars, quite the contrary.
And my reply to this was that if you check the gt3r website you will see how few of these cars there were ... the years supply being built in only three or four months at 15 cars per month ... there's no doubt that Weissach was very involved in the GT3 engine which was built for racing and halo'd across to the road car ... maybe it was just the engines ?

http://www.gt3r.com/intro.html

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 28th July 22:20

berty37

623 posts

138 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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ChrisW. said:
And my reply to this was that if you check the gt3r website you will see how few of these cars there were ... the years supply being built in only three or four months at 15 cars per month ... there's no doubt that Weissach was very involved in the GT3 engine which was built for racing and halo'd across to the road car ... maybe it was just the engines ?

http://www.gt3r.com/intro.html

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 28th July 22:20
Does that last paragraph already say pretty much that - the GT3R was built almost in its entirety at Weissach?
Weissach has always been involved in the GT street cars thats where Preuninger is based. Just to confirm I think the 996 GT3 is a great car regardless of where it was built!! It was a bit of trivia I always used to others that the 996 GT3 road car was built at Weissach it just seems that there is some evidence suggesting it wasn't. I didn't know til recently the Carrera GT was built at Leipzig!