Chances of getting a 991.2 GT3?
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
Tony 1234 said:
The only way that will happen is if there's a major world war and people will want to hold onto their cash?
**cough**Trump
**cough**
New Republican President = new war (see Bush Junior and Senior for evidence).
The problem could be who he decides to go to war with...
WCZ said:
its damaging the brand anyway, I know lots of people (myself included) who are fed up.
Actually I think it's quite the reverse. Like it or not it's giving these models an elevated desirability which benefits the rest of the model range.However, IMO it can only last for so long, and then it will be business as usual - everyone moaning about dreadful residuals
Sierra Mike said:
The Porsche brand has never been stronger but, if it's been damaged at all, it's predominantly with people who weren't Porsche customers or sufficiently brand loyal in the first place.
I had a 997 and a 993 rs and a few boxsters S, didn't like the 991 I drove and thats where it pretty much ended for me, I'd of had to buy a car I didn't like to remain loyal. WCZ said:
Sierra Mike said:
The Porsche brand has never been stronger but, if it's been damaged at all, it's predominantly with people who weren't Porsche customers or sufficiently brand loyal in the first place.
I had a 997 and a 993 rs and a few boxsters S, didn't like the 991 I drove and thats where it pretty much ended for me, I'd of had to buy a car I didn't like to remain loyal. BubblesNW said:
From my OPC....
As discussed, Thank you for making us aware of your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2 when production becomes available.
As I am sure you are aware, there is likely to be a greater desire for this vehicle in volume terms, than there is indeed production available. Should this turn out to be the case, Porsche Centre Sheffield will allocate production to customers based on the following criteria;
1. Must not have owned an exclusive product and sold it on within the last 12 months – A qualifying criteria.
2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre
3. You should be known to the centre as a long term keeper of Porsche Vehicles
4. Geographically local and a supporter of the Centre
5. Loyalty to the centre
In the event of a tie, overall purchase volume will become the deciding factor, should a tie remain, the Brand Director will consider all cases and decide accordingly.
In the event that we are able to satisfy your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2, we will confirm this in writing further to receipt of our allocation. At this point, you will be required to sign an order and to pay a deposit within 14 days, further to which the allocation will be forfeited. Until this time we would be unable to receive any deposits for this model.
Please note that in particular the date that you register your interest will have no bearing whatsoever on the allocation of build slots to customers.
Many Thanks for your interest.
Seems pretty clear to me but appears to not be consistent across all OPCs. They also said that they can't sell above list within 12 months of the end of production of a particular model.
Just had an enjoyable chat with my salesman. As he understands it, Porsche GB will be allocating GT products moving forward. As discussed, Thank you for making us aware of your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2 when production becomes available.
As I am sure you are aware, there is likely to be a greater desire for this vehicle in volume terms, than there is indeed production available. Should this turn out to be the case, Porsche Centre Sheffield will allocate production to customers based on the following criteria;
1. Must not have owned an exclusive product and sold it on within the last 12 months – A qualifying criteria.
2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre
3. You should be known to the centre as a long term keeper of Porsche Vehicles
4. Geographically local and a supporter of the Centre
5. Loyalty to the centre
In the event of a tie, overall purchase volume will become the deciding factor, should a tie remain, the Brand Director will consider all cases and decide accordingly.
In the event that we are able to satisfy your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2, we will confirm this in writing further to receipt of our allocation. At this point, you will be required to sign an order and to pay a deposit within 14 days, further to which the allocation will be forfeited. Until this time we would be unable to receive any deposits for this model.
Please note that in particular the date that you register your interest will have no bearing whatsoever on the allocation of build slots to customers.
Many Thanks for your interest.
Seems pretty clear to me but appears to not be consistent across all OPCs. They also said that they can't sell above list within 12 months of the end of production of a particular model.
As you say, the only consensus is that the advice from OPC is inconsistent
eggy41 said:
Anyone ever notice how OPC Colchester managed to sell SHMEE a GT4 .... his first Porsche ? Seems to contradict "policy" now ...
1.25m subscribers on FB.750k on You Tube.
Given how much effort it must have taken Tim to get to those numbers (having a mere 4000 myself), fair play to him.
eggy41 said:
Anyone ever notice how OPC Colchester managed to sell SHMEE a GT4 .... his first Porsche ? Seems to contradict "policy" now ...
Manufacturers waking up to the power of the media; where as before, media consisted of mainly magazine reporters without the funds to buy themselves, but now you have guys like Tim with a brand that affords him the opportunity to buy what he drives and in turn shares with the world. Not everyone's cup of tea, but if a select number of cars go to guys like Tim, and out of the hands of footballers (using a similar logic), I'm all for it in promoting the brand.PS - I got a GT4 without any prior experience of purchasing a new Porsche, and certainly not from the OPC I bought from, so...
mdianuk said:
PS - I got a GT4 without any prior experience of purchasing a new Porsche, and certainly not from the OPC I bought from, so...
you were lucky and there were another 300 GT4 coming into the UK so spaces arrived when deposits were already being handed back. right place right time.Porsche911R said:
you were lucky and there were another 300 GT4 coming into the UK so spaces arrived when deposits were already being handed back. right place right time.
Well, not so much luck, as I hassled all 34 OPC's weekly for months; put the effort in, got the reward (my OPC didn't return deposits until well after).mdianuk said:
Well, not so much luck, as I hassled all 34 OPC's weekly for months; put the effort in, got the reward (my OPC didn't return deposits until well after).
well there were only 200 cars to arrive in the 1st place and I have had mine a year just about, so without the extra 300 cars you would not have got one.my OPC stopped taking orders on GT4 and Spyder then sold 8 Spyders after only getting two 1st off, I also know a GT4 is still to arrive at Leicester !
so while you say you can get one of to try harder, it was a hugh amount of luck as people were depositing at multi OPC to get them !
some one had to get one the extra 300 cars , you were just one of those people and you were not going to jump any que's because you phoned, there were just 300 extra slots needed filling !
you go on an on about you getting one like a stuck record ! (sorry to say)
Whilst I agree the bloke was always going drive the thing (and good for him for that) I'm not sure I see why he should be "favoured" over anyone else just because he had a media profile ... Porsche control the supply side of GT market in the UK to the extent that premiums are guaranteed due to under supply. How much of that demand is generated by those premiums (+ cheap money and low returns in other asset classes) and how much is due to people wanting the cars for the purpose they were intended for is a moot point (and really the nub of the debate) but one thing for sure they don't need is to sell a car to someone to generate publicity, the things sell themselves !
Nice earner, as he likes to point out "guys"
Not sure there's an answer to any of this, increasing supply might flush out the speculators, but why would Porsche take that risk when everyone is doing very nicely thank you out of the current rigged market ?
Nice earner, as he likes to point out "guys"
Not sure there's an answer to any of this, increasing supply might flush out the speculators, but why would Porsche take that risk when everyone is doing very nicely thank you out of the current rigged market ?
Not sure I follow the logic of advertising a car that's already sold out multiple times ? And if you think today's yoof watch someone who dresses like his dad going down the golf club your probably one of those old farts, that's why Mercedes employ Hamilton
Point is , Joe public walk into a dealership and get sold the "you've got to fit this criteria" line, but in reality they are lying,
Point is , Joe public walk into a dealership and get sold the "you've got to fit this criteria" line, but in reality they are lying,
m33ufo said:
BubblesNW said:
From my OPC....
As discussed, Thank you for making us aware of your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2 when production becomes available.
As I am sure you are aware, there is likely to be a greater desire for this vehicle in volume terms, than there is indeed production available. Should this turn out to be the case, Porsche Centre Sheffield will allocate production to customers based on the following criteria;
1. Must not have owned an exclusive product and sold it on within the last 12 months – A qualifying criteria.
2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre
3. You should be known to the centre as a long term keeper of Porsche Vehicles
4. Geographically local and a supporter of the Centre
5. Loyalty to the centre
In the event of a tie, overall purchase volume will become the deciding factor, should a tie remain, the Brand Director will consider all cases and decide accordingly.
In the event that we are able to satisfy your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2, we will confirm this in writing further to receipt of our allocation. At this point, you will be required to sign an order and to pay a deposit within 14 days, further to which the allocation will be forfeited. Until this time we would be unable to receive any deposits for this model.
Please note that in particular the date that you register your interest will have no bearing whatsoever on the allocation of build slots to customers.
Many Thanks for your interest.
Seems pretty clear to me but appears to not be consistent across all OPCs. They also said that they can't sell above list within 12 months of the end of production of a particular model.
Just had an enjoyable chat with my salesman. As he understands it, Porsche GB will be allocating GT products moving forward. As discussed, Thank you for making us aware of your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2 when production becomes available.
As I am sure you are aware, there is likely to be a greater desire for this vehicle in volume terms, than there is indeed production available. Should this turn out to be the case, Porsche Centre Sheffield will allocate production to customers based on the following criteria;
1. Must not have owned an exclusive product and sold it on within the last 12 months – A qualifying criteria.
2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre
3. You should be known to the centre as a long term keeper of Porsche Vehicles
4. Geographically local and a supporter of the Centre
5. Loyalty to the centre
In the event of a tie, overall purchase volume will become the deciding factor, should a tie remain, the Brand Director will consider all cases and decide accordingly.
In the event that we are able to satisfy your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2, we will confirm this in writing further to receipt of our allocation. At this point, you will be required to sign an order and to pay a deposit within 14 days, further to which the allocation will be forfeited. Until this time we would be unable to receive any deposits for this model.
Please note that in particular the date that you register your interest will have no bearing whatsoever on the allocation of build slots to customers.
Many Thanks for your interest.
Seems pretty clear to me but appears to not be consistent across all OPCs. They also said that they can't sell above list within 12 months of the end of production of a particular model.
As you say, the only consensus is that the advice from OPC is inconsistent
Said it before some time back Porsche will have zilch input re allocations of GT cars to customers....the OPC DP has sole discretion.
The ten car rule is incorrect (for most OPCs except maybe JCT 600) but past history of buying AND RUNNING a good number of GT cars and trading them back to the OPC is crucial and any flippers outside the network in particular will be excluded...and rightly so.
The ten car rule is incorrect (for most OPCs except maybe JCT 600) but past history of buying AND RUNNING a good number of GT cars and trading them back to the OPC is crucial and any flippers outside the network in particular will be excluded...and rightly so.
Edited by av185 on Friday 19th August 23:04
Porsche911R said:
you go on an on about you getting one like a stuck record ! (sorry to say)
Geez you are a misery! I merely pointed out that despite no prior purchases from the OPC, I managed to get one, in response to a point questioning how to get a GT car with no prior ownership. Yes a bit of luck was involved, yes I only got one because they released more (where have I said otherwise) but I also put the effort in. My OPC had 7 deposits, mine was the 8th, but they saw more opportunity from allocating to me than the others, which isn't down to luck.As for going on about it; oh the irony, we can never shut you up! Back on ignore where you belong.
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A lot of enthusiasts can't afford to buy an expensive car like a GT3 if they think it will depreciate like a regular car. Build as many as people will want and demand will plummet, not just from flippers but also those enthusiasts that can't afford the hit. I'd say there is a large number of them. You'd be doing them no favours with this policy.
I've never test driven a car I've bought, you don't need to to know how good a product is likely to be, reviews are available, and Porsche's long history of producing excellent cars can be relied on. You're taking a small gamble, but recently that risk has been minimised with an overs market (see point above). To say that you can't truly want a new car because you haven't driven it is untrue. It's your personal definition (and you said IMO) but I don't think most people buy GT3s just for the sake of having something new, (especially in the old days when they were more hardcore, and no overs market existed, and the only real precident was the 993RS)
Oddly enough i note that depreciation didn't seem to stop people buying 6/7gt3s despite them depreciating. The cars were not artificially limited and were build to order (kind of anyway) and people were only interested to buy them to actually drive rather than speculate/obsess about values like now. Imo it's a fairer situation that people who were willing and able to accept a certain amount of depreciation buy the cars to use as intended rather than the mad scramble to get into the overs market and the brown nosing of dealerships to get on the favoured list.A lot of enthusiasts can't afford to buy an expensive car like a GT3 if they think it will depreciate like a regular car. Build as many as people will want and demand will plummet, not just from flippers but also those enthusiasts that can't afford the hit. I'd say there is a large number of them. You'd be doing them no favours with this policy.
I've never test driven a car I've bought, you don't need to to know how good a product is likely to be, reviews are available, and Porsche's long history of producing excellent cars can be relied on. You're taking a small gamble, but recently that risk has been minimised with an overs market (see point above). To say that you can't truly want a new car because you haven't driven it is untrue. It's your personal definition (and you said IMO) but I don't think most people buy GT3s just for the sake of having something new, (especially in the old days when they were more hardcore, and no overs market existed, and the only real precident was the 993RS)
As far as test drives are concerned, there is no chance I would have bought the gt4 had I been able to test drive one before. Reading reviews and a very strong track record of producing good cars imo does not equal to 'truly wanting a new car' as far as for driving purposes is concerned.
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