Chances of getting a 991.2 GT3?

[BubblesNW]

isaldiri said:

As far as test drives are concerned, there is no chance I would have bought the gt4 had I been able to test drive one before. Reading reviews and a very strong track record of producing good cars imo does not equal to 'truly wanting a new car' as far as for driving purposes is concerned.

Can you please clarify this statement.
Do you mean that if you had had the opportunity to drive one before placing an order you would have declined?

It's not perfect but nothing is, imho for the money there was nothing to touch it once the specification was released it was worth a punt and hasn't disappointed. Ok, shorter gearing and an engine allowed to reach its true potential would have been nice (and achievable outside of the warranty) but it's a pretty good modern package.

[isaldiri]

BubblesNW said:

Can you please clarify this statement.
Do you mean that if you had had the opportunity to drive one before placing an order you would have declined?

It's not perfect but nothing is, imho for the money there was nothing to touch it once the specification was released it was worth a punt and hasn't disappointed. Ok, shorter gearing and an engine allowed to reach its true potential would have been nice (and achievable outside of the warranty) but it's a pretty good modern package.

Yes if i had been able to drive the gt4 before placing an order I would never have bought one as it would have been obvious to me it wasn't what I was looking for compared to the 7gt3 with a half decent test drive route. I felt that pretty much immediately on my drive back from collection and I spent a further 3800 miles trying to convince myself otherwise before selling it.

before anyone gets upset, just to be clear, I'm not trying to knock the car. It was a very good all round car and really nice on track in its own way but personally would not have chosen to buy one had I known what I do now about it and perhaps it would have been better for someone else who would like the way it drove more got the chance to order the car from new tbh.

[BubblesNW]

isaldiri said:

BubblesNW said:

Can you please clarify this statement.
Do you mean that if you had had the opportunity to drive one before placing an order you would have declined?

It's not perfect but nothing is, imho for the money there was nothing to touch it once the specification was released it was worth a punt and hasn't disappointed. Ok, shorter gearing and an engine allowed to reach its true potential would have been nice (and achievable outside of the warranty) but it's a pretty good modern package.

Yes if i had been able to drive the gt4 before placing an order I would never have bought one as it would have been immediately obvious to me it wasn't what I was looking for compared to the 7gt3. I felt that pretty much immediately on my drive back from collection and I spent a further 3800 miles trying to convince myself otherwise before selling it.

before anyone gets upset, just to be clear, I'm not trying to knock the car. It was a very good all round car and really nice on track in its own way but personally would not have chosen to buy one had I known what I do now about it and perhaps it would have been better for someone else who would like the way it drove more got the chance to order the car from new tbh.

Fair enough, but I guess you were in a very fortunate position of being an existing GT car owner. I'm sure the lack of depreciation helped to mitigate the pain in finding out it wasn't the car for you.

[isaldiri]

BubblesNW said:

Fair enough, but I guess you were in a very fortunate position of being an existing GT car owner. I'm sure the lack of depreciation helped to mitigate the pain in finding out it wasn't the car for you.

Well it went for more or less what I spent on it (car + ppf) and I was expecting to end up down on the car if i kept it over a few years and miles like any other so yes I can't complain.

To properly mitigate my 'pain' as you put it though, i really should have flipped it immediately (might have needed more random tat on spec on order too i suppose). The more fool me in driving a further 3800 miles just to try to see what the hype evo and all were banging on about

Edited by isaldiri on Sunday 21st August 02:03

[BubblesNW]

Makes perfect sense. Did you keep the GT3?
I'm still loving and discovering the capabilities of the GT4 are more than my own...

[isaldiri]

BubblesNW said:

Makes perfect sense. Did you keep the GT3?
I'm still loving and discovering the capabilities of the GT4 are more than my own...

certainly should have stayed with the gt3 for the good of my bank account instead of foolishly going on a car changing spree for a few years. am lucky enough to have a 7.2 rs now though.

[av185]

As said before the GT4s biggest problem is its lack of a 'true' GT engine but what does one expect at the money and in most situations for use on typical UK roads it is rapid and engaging enough for most people without threatening their driving licence too much.....unlike the 991 GT3. GT4 also sounds better at lower speeds and imo FEELS more chuckable and compact than the 911 despite being identical widths mirror to mirror.

[av185]

av185 said:

Porsche911R said:

people were depositing at multi OPC to get them !

Do you know of anyone who placed a deposit at more than 1 OPC and actually got an allocation?

Will take that as a no then....:

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Will take that as a no then....:

I have no idea, but people were posting on here that they were doing this !
when are you paying up about the 85 981 Spyder cars max bullst ?

[Mousem40]

anonymous said:

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The only thing that's preposterous is your assertion that real enthusiasts don't buy cars they haven't been able to test drive.
It happens, I do it, I'm certainly not alone. I'm not a flipper, I owned my last GT3 for 7 years. I bought my RS on the basis of what I've read and heard about it. It exceeded my expectations. Of course that won't be the case every time.

YOU might need more information, the vast majority don't. If to define themselves as true enthusiasts they did have to test drive a car, then you're implying that the entire global market for a new RS and GT3 is made up of flippers (or non enthusiasts), that can't be right, many people on here aren't flippers or trophy hunters and they own both.

[Stunters]

anonymous said:

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I agree that it's really hard to make these decisions without a test drive if you are considering any car for medium to long term ownership. But if you want a new one at list and are able to secure a slot, you have to take that decision.

At least there is the PEC opportunity, as long as you can take it up while you still have the opportunity of your deposit being refunded if you really didn't want to proceed after having a go in the car at Silverstone. As you know, Porsche UK doesn't run any of them as dealer demonstrators, It probably wouldn't damage the brand if each OPC was allocated 1 of each GT car which they were contractually obliged to run as a demonstrator for a minimum of 6 months. But if the cars are all effectively sold many times over as soon as they are announced, Porsche is probably quite happy not to provide demonstrators...

From my own perspective as a long term 987.1 Cayman S owner and a fan of the mid-engined layout I wasn't entirely sure that the GT4 would be the right car for me, but I got my name down early because I thought it very probably would be. I test drove the Cayman R in 2011 and didn't like it enough to warrant a change, and I wasn't sold on the 981 cars for the same reasons as you. But the GT4 is very nearly as good as the 987.1 in the subjective areas that for me are driver-critical, and a significant step forward over the 987.1 in many other areas. I was pleasantly surprised when I drove it at the PEC and continue to be impressed with the car as a lucky owner.

I would absolutely love the opportunity to test drive a 991 GT3 to see if I might ultimately be in the market for its successor(s). The few 911s I have driven have made me appreciate the Cayman even more.

[Mousem40]

Of course it's a bit of a gamble, you can't know 100%, that's obvious, I agree with you. It's your assertion that as a result of it being a punt, it defines a buyer as not being an enthusiast. The market dictates that you have to take a punt - that applies to everyone.

Anyway back on topic, I know 1 buyer of 2 991 GT3s who has no previous history of buying Porsche's from an OPC. One other buyer who's only previously bought a couple of new turbos and 3-4 new/used regular models and got an RS and was also flown out to see the 911R in a private flight.

So anyone can get lucky, clearly the better buying/selling/servicing history you have with your OPC the better, but don't let a lack of that put you off.

[Stunters]

So are you now saying that all purchasers of new GTx Porsches are wh0res?

I genuinely put my name down with no thought about the resale value. I just wanted the opportunity of being the first owner of a GT4, ordered to my spec. Not being able to drive it was of course less than ideal, but if I had truly disliked it at the PEC I almost certainly would have cancelled my order and continued to enjoy my 10 year old Cayman S. In fact I have kept hold of the Cayman S because I would have hated to have sold it if that had turned out to be the wrong choice for me. This is currently giving me cost and space headaches but it's a nice problem to have.

[Lee GT]

Luck of the draw I think as I only bought 2 cars from my dealer before they offered me a build slot on a GT3 991.2. I spoke to someone at a trackday earlier this year that had bought 5 cars from their local dealer and they still can’t get one, even after a lot of pestering too. But I didn’t actually ask for a slot, I was more than happy with my GT3 991.1, but after the Geneva MS they kindly offered me one and I would have been daft to refuse. So I spec’d it up and waited for it to be delivered and wow, what a car... Glad I went for manual too!

[Cheib]

Lee GT said:

Luck of the draw I think as I only bought 2 cars from my dealer before they offered me a build slot on a GT3 991.2. I spoke to someone at a trackday earlier this year that had bought 5 cars from their local dealer and they still can’t get one, even after a lot of pestering too. But I didn’t actually ask for a slot, I was more than happy with my GT3 991.1, but after the Geneva MS they kindly offered me one and I would have been daft to refuse. So I spec’d it up and waited for it to be delivered and wow, what a car... Glad I went for manual too!

Bit of a thread resurrection.......