Chris Harris Drives: the Porsche 911.2 Turbo S

Chris Harris Drives: the Porsche 911.2 Turbo S

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Phooey

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12,575 posts

168 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Hard to tell if he really likes it or not but worth a watch

http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/...



v8ksn

4,711 posts

183 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Phooey said:
Hard to tell if he really likes it or not but worth a watch

http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/...
Cheers for posting, I enjoyed that biggrin

I dont know why but the 911 Turbo, in all its guises over 40 odd years, has never really appealed to me but I have massive respect for it. I have tried to reconcile the feelings I have with various passenger rides and test drives over the years but still, I dont yearn for one like I do the GT models.

Ironically, the GT2 makes me drool cloud9

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Pretty much as you'd expect?

Hugely fast, hugely secure, will be fun if you provoke it but ultimately it's a great allrounder rather than being the best Sports car.

One thing I'm keen to ask the experts on here - in the in-car shots Harris appears to sit very close to the wheel - his arms appear very bent.
Is that his style (for drifting?), is that the recommended posture, has he got very short legs, is the angle of the camera misleading etc etc?

cheers

david hockney

1,198 posts

152 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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If the fuel is inferior in South Africa and the altitude not appropriate for optimum performance it begs the question why on earth did Porsche buy the test track in the first place ?

Budflicker

3,799 posts

183 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Good vid, thanks.

Why is this one allowed but the mods deleted the 996 one tonight?

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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sidicks said:
Pretty much as you'd expect?

Hugely fast, hugely secure, will be fun if you provoke it but ultimately it's a great allrounder rather than being the best Sports car.

One thing I'm keen to ask the experts on here - in the in-car shots Harris appears to sit very close to the wheel - his arms appear very bent.
Is that his style (for drifting?), is that the recommended posture, has he got very short legs, is the angle of the camera misleading etc etc?

cheers
He's short but that's how race drivers tend to sit. Arms fully extended is not a good thing for car control!

patch5674

232 posts

111 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Love Chris Harris' work but his being swallowed up by the TG machine means that his little videos are being struck with the disadvantages of TG. The F12tdf video posted recently, he has had the raw footage for nearly a year as he posted a little snippet of the yellow underfloor flaps deploying on his twitter ages ago, whilst this .2 Turbo launch at Kyalmi happened ages ago and Evo et al all posted their reviews of the car on this track a fair while back.

NAS90

146 posts

111 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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sidicks said:
One thing I'm keen to ask the experts on here - in the in-car shots Harris appears to sit very close to the wheel - his arms appear very bent.
Is that his style (for drifting?), is that the recommended posture, has he got very short legs, is the angle of the camera misleading etc etc?

cheers
Go to a Roadshow or Sport Driving course and the Porsche instructor will tell you the perfect driving position has the seat low down in the car, with the seat base forward sufficiently that when you are pressing the brake as hard as you possibly can there is still a bend in your knee. For the seat back it should be more upright than most people have it, but not 90 degrees, the angle of the door pillar (B Pillar) next to the seat is a good guide for the right angle. Once you have the seat set in position adjust the steering wheel; as a guide when you are sat back with your shoulders in the seat and your arms outstretched over the wheel, the wheel should be level with your wrists, that way when you bring your hands down to 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock on the wheel you will have a good bend in your arms and will be in the recommended driving position.

Bends in the arms and legs both give you the strength to operate steering and brakes fully in any situation and protect you in the event of an accident. A straight leg on the brake can't push hard enough to operate PSM/ ABS sufficiently to provide optimum stopping in an emergency and if you do have an accident the forces will go through a straight leg resulting in a broken hip. Straight arms mean you have to pull yourself out of the seat to get decent movement on the steering wheel and result in shoulder injuries in an accident.

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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sidicks said:
One thing I'm keen to ask the experts on here - in the in-car shots Harris appears to sit very close to the wheel - his arms appear very bent.
Is that his style (for drifting?), is that the recommended posture, has he got very short legs, is the angle of the camera misleading etc etc?

cheers
It's how Porsche teaches things for car control too. Seat low and far enough forward that you can comfortably rest your wrists atop the wheel.

Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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New Turbo offers more of the same. I'd like to try one for one of my Euro trips, but would probably revert to an NA car afterwards.

red997

1,304 posts

208 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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NAS90 & 13M have it spot on.
This is how I was taught during race instruction, and by a place driving instructor.
It works

911 turbo - yes please - great daily hack smile

RevsPerMinute

1,874 posts

220 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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What colour would you say the car in the vid is?

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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13m said:
It's how Porsche teaches things for car control too. Seat low and far enough forward that you can comfortably rest your wrists atop the wheel.
That's exactly what I was comparing it to - his arms seemed much more bent than I would have expected if he was following the above 'procedure'.

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

212 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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RevsPerMinute said:
What colour would you say the car in the vid is?
Looks like Lava Orange to me, chap.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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RevsPerMinute said:
What colour would you say the car in the vid is?
its guards red.

really nicely shot film, its becoming an art form all on its own right with the drone footage and all.

in summary: Turbo S not as crap as the new carrera, Turbo the better buy.

It all feels a bit 'meh' for what is, probably, the fastest car on the UK Road.



Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Looks pretty orange to me too.

13m

26,271 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Phooey said:
Hard to tell if he really likes it or not but worth a watch

http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/...
I think he's saying it's the same as every Turbo since the 930 - hugely capable but meh.



EricE

1,945 posts

128 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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I feel its time for them to put the 918 hybrid drivetrain in the 911 Turbo. Unlikely to happen without a carbon tub or at least a significant chassis redesign. What ever happened to that mid engined Flat-8 "Ferrari Fighter"? Scrapped for the Mission-E?

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

212 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Carl_Manchester said:
its guards red.

really nicely shot film, its becoming an art form all on its own right with the drone footage and all.

in summary: Turbo S not as crap as the new carrera, Turbo the better buy.

It all feels a bit 'meh' for what is, probably, the fastest car on the UK Road.
See link below....same press car. As I say, it's Lava Orange

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/first-drives/2...

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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anonymous said:
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I try to follow the principles outlined at my various Porsche driving days, certainly the buckets in the GT3 are fairly right which I like (and how i sit in my other cars) but probably seem uncomfortably so to some people who are used to a more relaxed driving position. However I do have relatively long legs, so inevitably my arms are a bit straighter (but certainly not straight) compared to Harris.