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Sine Metu said:
jackal said:
anonymous said:
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So true. The mediocrity like ... well, they like the mediocre.The best things that you can buy in life generally tend toward the niche, the bespoke and lie just under the radar, well out of the gaze of all the wallys.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Sine Metu said:
jackal said:
anonymous said:
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So true. The mediocrity like ... well, they like the mediocre.The best things that you can buy in life generally tend toward the niche, the bespoke and lie just under the radar, well out of the gaze of all the wallys.
When the designers sat down to develop the Corolla it was to a certain brief. It may well have been the best package you could get at a certain price point to certain levels of distribution that delivered on a set of key requirements...ever! The subsequent fact that so many buyers responded favorably to this package means the design team were absolutely successful in what they set out to do. No less successful than a design team setting out to make a race car that goes on to win races.
What is a better car than a Corolla? Why is it better? At what? For who? For what price? Popularity is generally I would argue, a pretty good guide in fact as to how well a product matches what people demand. And people ultimately determine what good or great is by their choices. I get a twinge in my sphincter whenever I see people saying one thing is 'absolutely' 'better' than another when it reality, there are alternative needs being met by the differing variants - as in the case of 911 variants. In the great scheme of things, a Porsche 911R is less than a footnote in car history. As a specific variant It's utterly insignificant in car terms. The new Tesla 3 is potentially a huge historic milestone. Which is the better car? What's best for one person can be different to what's best for another. No one has the supreme authority on the subject. Not even our famously wide of the mark motoring 'journalists' (ehm, cough!) as much as they'd like to think they do. Popularity gives the most rigorous indication of how buyer numbers adjudicated what was the 'best' for them. If more paying customers decide option A is best over option B, it's not something one can dismiss because one doesn't personally agree with their decision. Popularity tells us a lot. And as hard as it us to stomach, it probably tells us what is the best as far as the wider world is concerned and as much as any other method of determining it. Except when it comes to ABBA where clearly, since no one can sit down through Dancing Queen, it is the best song ever, better than any other song, the bestest of the best in fact.
A) McDonalds is fine food
B) 650 S, 488, can not take a typical leafy wintry UK road apart like a 911 turbo or GTR.
C) Having the ability to send drive to the axle or wheel which needs it most is advantageous in both a tricky situation or when pressing on. Sure if you're aquaplaning nothing can save you.
4wd pointless? I personally don't think so. Certainly not in colder climates anyway. It's arguably less fun but even here cars like the original Quattro, Intergrale, b7 RS4, and last gen R8 show 4wd cars are fun. I'd love to see Ferdinand Piechs face being told 4wd is pointless lol!
B) 650 S, 488, can not take a typical leafy wintry UK road apart like a 911 turbo or GTR.
C) Having the ability to send drive to the axle or wheel which needs it most is advantageous in both a tricky situation or when pressing on. Sure if you're aquaplaning nothing can save you.
4wd pointless? I personally don't think so. Certainly not in colder climates anyway. It's arguably less fun but even here cars like the original Quattro, Intergrale, b7 RS4, and last gen R8 show 4wd cars are fun. I'd love to see Ferdinand Piechs face being told 4wd is pointless lol!
monthefish said:
fredt said:
Biggest nonsense is that 4wd should be safer, 4wd is very dangerous.
Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
As I said before, I've driven 300+bhp RWD cars (with absolutely no driver's aids) on public roads and also round Spa, in the wet, on road tyres and I've driven a 500+bhp 4WD 911 on public roads too. On top of that, I've owned countless Land Rovers (and still own one) and Range Rovers and have driven them off road too.
I think I am happy that I do, actually, know what I know about 4WD.
fredt said:
Biggest nonsense is that 4wd should be safer, 4wd is very dangerous.
Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
Good job no-one has ever gone for six wheel drive - that would obviously be instant death.Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
Unless there was some way in which the power output per tyre decreased as you added more driven tyres, some magical formula - it's a case for NASA or CERN or some of those boffins at Oxbridge to work on.
pete.g said:
fredt said:
Biggest nonsense is that 4wd should be safer, 4wd is very dangerous.
Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
Good job no-one has ever gone for six wheel drive - that would obviously be instant death.Specially in the wet my car breaks traction with the turbos just hinting at spooling up, with 4wd I'd have all wheels breaking traction all the time
Bloody dangerous.
Unless there was some way in which the power output per tyre decreased as you added more driven tyres, some magical formula - it's a case for NASA or CERN or some of those boffins at Oxbridge to work on.
monthefish said:
Stop it. You're upsetting the Luddites. Someone's going to report you to the mods.fredt said:
Also the added heft of the 4wd system makes for a far more dangerous projectile when the car, as it undoubtedly will, careers off the road out of control.
So would one wheel drive be the safest then - when it's slippery our preferences would be:1. Motorcycle
2. Powerful rear wheel drive vehicle
3. Four wheel drive vehicle
Well that makes perfect sense. . .
IMI A said:
anonymous said:
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