0-60mph relevance???

0-60mph relevance???

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sebulban

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285 posts

119 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Can you guys give it to me straight about why 0-60mph is still held is such high esteem when talking up your own car.

An owner of a BMW M4 was telling me today how his car is super fast 0-60.....

Just seems like such an old mindset when you think about how well it would go round a track and how that variable is so loose!

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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16 year olds love it.

I guess if a car does sub 3 it's a head turning figure, but I like to know the 100mph time to get a real idea how fast a car is.

you could say what's the ring time relevance.

sebulban

Original Poster:

285 posts

119 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Ive demonstrated that a Cayman 981 was put round the Anglesea Track a second faster that the M4 by the Evo boys. Really thats all that matters. Saying it would be quicker round the streets is a fallacy..... if thats the case the police win!!!!

ellroy

7,027 posts

225 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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But you're effectively doing the same thing!

Anglesey is a tight little place, not exactly the best place for a big coupe like the M4 compared to a lithe 981.

Put the 981 up against an M4 at La Sarthe, for example, and you'd get a differing result I'd imagine.

All of these figures are subjective to the car, the test and the individual interested. They can prove whatever you want them to.

sebulban

Original Poster:

285 posts

119 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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OK let me caveat it all by saying I am not the most knowledgeable on the subject. And when someone makes a claim I simply look to verify it. So always happy to be educated.

Good information on specific track.

Whats your view of 0-60 as a performance metric?

TB993tt

2,032 posts

241 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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sebulban said:
Whats your view of 0-60 as a performance metric?
It is more relevant now than it has ever been since the awesome latest TC/PDK/LSD/Electronics mean that everybody can easily replicate the road testers figures. The 0-60 is a great measure in high torque cars of how well they can get off the line, new Turbo S has just been measured by a mag in the US at 2.5s this displays what an awesome accelerative package Porsche have created compared to say the similar powered Nissan GTR which is always a bit slower when tested.

For real power assessment it is generally agreed amongst hp heads that 0-300kph is the most accurate measure of real hp.

chriscoates81

482 posts

132 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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It's useful for comparing cars, however I read some companies measure differently I'm sure it mentioned BMW and they start the timer when either Guevara moving or after its already travel 1m I can't remember which.

MDL111

6,913 posts

177 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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How is it more or less relevant than any other acceleration metric or track time - none of those are relevant to how the car drives, but all have a certain relevance for somebody who compares these metrics / cares about them

ChrisW.

6,290 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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I think it's very misleading.

First question ... how many gearchanges ?

I much prefer the 0-100 time where an extra gear change can't make more than a 0.5 second difference .... even if I never go faster than 70 !

Sine Metu

302 posts

126 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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It's a piece of data just like all the others. Weight, mpg, top speed, price, equipment etc. how worse do magazines give some context to what a car can do relative to other cars with some stats. The only way you'll know how it 'feels' to drive is drive it yourself the way you like to drive.

Digga

40,295 posts

283 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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chriscoates81 said:
It's useful for comparing cars, however I read some companies measure differently I'm sure it mentioned BMW and they start the timer when either Guevara moving or after its already travel 1m I can't remember which.
They'll have a long wait.

marcusgrant

1,445 posts

92 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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Maybe instead they should use a Nürburgring lap time

Koln-RS

3,856 posts

212 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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A friend of mine had a 997 Turbo S for 3 years.

I had a drive in it one time and he said it could apparently do 0-60 in 2.9 secs, but most people wouldn't be able to actually achieve that, so they fitted an automated 'launch control'.

I asked him what it was like, and he said it was the most useless piece of kit on the car - "when am I ever going to need that unless I take it racing?"

He's since gone back to n/a Porsches, which he says are not as fast but far more fun.

gerlewis

100 posts

229 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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I always end up comparing 30-70 times when I am looking for my next steed.
As I find on a Welsh B road, most of my ‘aggressive’ fun driving takes place between these speeds.

Ger

sparta6

3,690 posts

100 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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gerlewis said:
I always end up comparing 30-70 times when I am looking for my next steed.
As I find on a Welsh B road, most of my ‘aggressive’ fun driving takes place between these speeds.

Ger
+1

Far more relevant for real world driving.

ab80

190 posts

140 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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No relevance at all, until you try launch control in a properly fast car. Lots of giggles.

CarsOrBikes

1,135 posts

184 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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0-100 and back or not important imo.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Every metric is important it tells you a story of the car

Some now prefer the 0-100mph time but some cars only need 3rf gear to get there others 4/5th gear ratio dependant.
Track time is not good as not every car is tested ie when is the lowest powered diesel Seat Albrahama time going to be published it isn't.

0-62mph is a key time that's existed for a very long time, ditto the 0-30mph a crucial one.
30-70 through the gears or held in 2/3/4/5th give an idea of engine flexibility

What relevace does top speed have?unless you break the law or manage to drive on clear AutoBahns it's willy waving irrelevance

Why isn't the COG or BHP/Tonne higher up people's register when reviewing cars?

chriscoates81

482 posts

132 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Welshbeef said:
Every metric is important it tells you a story of the car

Some now prefer the 0-100mph time but some cars only need 3rf gear to get there others 4/5th gear ratio dependant.
Track time is not good as not every car is tested ie when is the lowest powered diesel Seat Albrahama time going to be published it isn't.

0-62mph is a key time that's existed for a very long time, ditto the 0-30mph a crucial one.
30-70 through the gears or held in 2/3/4/5th give an idea of engine flexibility

What relevace does top speed have?unless you break the law or manage to drive on clear AutoBahns it's willy waving irrelevance

Why isn't the COG or BHP/Tonne higher up people's register when reviewing cars?
Power to weight would probably be a better number to compare than 0-60 times.

boobles

15,241 posts

215 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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I guess a fast 0-60 can be useful at the lights when you have somebody sitting next to you revving the nuts out of their Peco big bore 4.......