out of the box golf new 7:47.19 Nordschleife lap time
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IREvans said:
The Golf Clubsport S has a Borg Warner VAQ eLSD. It is mounted outside the gearbox, and uses hydraulic pressure to control power transmission across the axle - it does not use the brakes to control wheelspin. It is completely different to the XDS system, which does indeed brake the wheel that's lost traction.
Hello, yes I am aware the Mk7 GTI platform cars as specced has a proper diff. GTD is xds I believe.I was saying that XDS eats (has ate) my brake pads. At just under £400 they are not cheap.
xjay1337 said:
IREvans said:
The Golf Clubsport S has a Borg Warner VAQ eLSD. It is mounted outside the gearbox, and uses hydraulic pressure to control power transmission across the axle - it does not use the brakes to control wheelspin. It is completely different to the XDS system, which does indeed brake the wheel that's lost traction.
Hello, yes I am aware the Mk7 GTI platform cars as specced has a proper diff. GTD is xds I believe.I was saying that XDS eats (has ate) my brake pads. At just under £400 they are not cheap.
xjay1337 said:
I believe it's a similar unit to the Clubsport S.
Many thanks.So in theory you could maybe get a fabulous discount on a 2016 non clubsport GTI (with performance pack) remap to 300bhp for buttons and have a similar car to the clubsport?
You wouldn't know if the clubsport and or clubsport S have the same turbo as the non clubsport GTI. I know the R has a bigger turbo to get to 300PS but not sure if the turbo is upgraded to R's turbo for the Clubsport and Clubsport S which are rated 300 PS and 310 PS respectively. If I asked a VW salesmen this question I don't think they'd know the answer straight off.
IMI A said:
Many thanks.
So in theory you could maybe get a fabulous discount on a 2016 non clubsport GTI (with performance pack) remap to 300bhp for buttons and have a similar car to the clubsport?
You wouldn't know if the clubsport and or clubsport S have the same turbo as the non clubsport GTI. I know the R has a bigger turbo to get to 300PS but not sure if the turbo is upgraded to R's turbo for the Clubsport and Clubsport S which are rated 300 PS and 310 PS respectively. If I asked a VW salesmen this question I don't think they'd know the answer straight off.
I haven't read up on the bumf, but I would imagine the Clubsport/S larger turbocharger than a Golf GTI does.So in theory you could maybe get a fabulous discount on a 2016 non clubsport GTI (with performance pack) remap to 300bhp for buttons and have a similar car to the clubsport?
You wouldn't know if the clubsport and or clubsport S have the same turbo as the non clubsport GTI. I know the R has a bigger turbo to get to 300PS but not sure if the turbo is upgraded to R's turbo for the Clubsport and Clubsport S which are rated 300 PS and 310 PS respectively. If I asked a VW salesmen this question I don't think they'd know the answer straight off.
I'm not that good with the TSI (Mk7) engine tuning but I am pretty good with the TFSI of the Mk5 and Mk6R.
I know from other cars that you can simply swap the turbos of the R and the Mk7 GTI (Revo and APR offer this as an option).
I suspect if you wanted a Clubsport S experience without the cost you'd be better off buying a 6 month old GTI, buying the best coilover suspension, rollbars and polybushes, upgraded brakes and removing the rear seats.
I mean, ultimately the Clubsport S is just an amalgamation of parts.
Also, interestingly, the front discs on the Clubsport S suffer the same problem that the Audi TTRS has... the discs are not "handed" meaning one side runs massively hotter than the other. I suspect they will warp fairly easily.
IMI A said:
Many thanks.
You wouldn't know if the clubsport and or clubsport S have the same turbo as the non clubsport GTI. I know the R has a bigger turbo to get to 300PS but not sure if the turbo is upgraded to R's turbo for the Clubsport and Clubsport S which are rated 300 PS and 310 PS respectively. If I asked a VW salesmen this question I don't think they'd know the answer straight off.
I've got the 2.0 TSI Turbo petrol, I believe all of them has the same engine+turbo except R and clubsport GTI. They do not produce or sell them anymore though, I've got one of the latests in 2015 on Beetle.You wouldn't know if the clubsport and or clubsport S have the same turbo as the non clubsport GTI. I know the R has a bigger turbo to get to 300PS but not sure if the turbo is upgraded to R's turbo for the Clubsport and Clubsport S which are rated 300 PS and 310 PS respectively. If I asked a VW salesmen this question I don't think they'd know the answer straight off.
It seems as though the R, Clubsport and Clubsport S all have the same engine with larger IS 38 Turbo. The standard GTI has the smaller IS 20 turbo.
Engine changes for R, CS and CSS over standard GTI. All are 2 liter 4-cylinder engines but the R/CS/ CSS have the following improvements:
Cylinder head (made from a different alloy compared to other engines in this module because of higher thermal stress)
Exhaust valves (hollow, higher Ni content, nitrided)
Exhaust valve seat rings (improved temperature stability and wear resistance)
Exhaust camshaft (adapted valve timings)
Compression ratio 9.3:1 with different pistons
Piston cooling jets (higher flow rate)
High pressure injectors (even higher flow rate)
Exhaust turbocharger
Charge pressures of up to 17.4 PSI (1.2 bar)
High performance main radiator with 1-2 auxiliary radiators (depending on country specifications)
Additional acoustic modifications have been made in order to achieve a sporty sound – use of a sound actuator (not in clubport S) (for the occupant cell) and active exhaust flaps in the exhaust system (again clubsport S has its own unique exhaust system)
Turbo specs:
MK7 Golf GTI 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
42.5 mm Inducer / 54.0 mm Exducer – Compressor
46.8 mm Inducer / 50.4 mm Exducer – Turbine
MK7 Golf R/ GTI CS/ CS S 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
45.2 mm Inducer / 58.0 mm Exducer – Compressor
47.4 mm Inducer / 54.7 mm Exducer – Turbine
Engine changes for R, CS and CSS over standard GTI. All are 2 liter 4-cylinder engines but the R/CS/ CSS have the following improvements:
Cylinder head (made from a different alloy compared to other engines in this module because of higher thermal stress)
Exhaust valves (hollow, higher Ni content, nitrided)
Exhaust valve seat rings (improved temperature stability and wear resistance)
Exhaust camshaft (adapted valve timings)
Compression ratio 9.3:1 with different pistons
Piston cooling jets (higher flow rate)
High pressure injectors (even higher flow rate)
Exhaust turbocharger
Charge pressures of up to 17.4 PSI (1.2 bar)
High performance main radiator with 1-2 auxiliary radiators (depending on country specifications)
Additional acoustic modifications have been made in order to achieve a sporty sound – use of a sound actuator (not in clubport S) (for the occupant cell) and active exhaust flaps in the exhaust system (again clubsport S has its own unique exhaust system)
Turbo specs:
MK7 Golf GTI 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
42.5 mm Inducer / 54.0 mm Exducer – Compressor
46.8 mm Inducer / 50.4 mm Exducer – Turbine
MK7 Golf R/ GTI CS/ CS S 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
45.2 mm Inducer / 58.0 mm Exducer – Compressor
47.4 mm Inducer / 54.7 mm Exducer – Turbine
fergus said:
Steve Rance said:
My daily driver is a MK7 GTD with a remap. Nice practical daily but the Miss's Clio 182 trophy is a far nicer car to drive. The Golf is very easy to drive quickly, the diff sorts everything out for you. All you need to do is keep the power on. Great fun for the first few times but a little boring there after.
O/T I remember a memorable drive with Phil Bennett (BTCC) and Angus Dawe (RIP) in Phil's "company car" (clio trophy) on the roads around Silverstone one evening. Judicious use of left foot braking had that car (3 up) at some silly angles at very high speeds on the way into a lot of roundabouts. Great little thing. I can confirm that there isn't a lot to hang onto in the back though 
I really love the old Clios. I'd like to get a 172 Cup in the stable, which was the lightest and most basic car they made.
The Golf is deeply impressive, but for me they are barely hot hatches any more - just too big and fancy these days.
hondansx said:
IMI A said:
I'm not surprised by this at all having driven a Golf GTI mk7 recently. The way the chassis flows with typical UK B roads is astonishing - you can carry as much pace along a twisty section as in a 997 turbo and in many ways its more enjoyable as its not stop start like in a faster more powerful car where you're always having to get on the brakes to slow down for a corner. All the car you need IMO. Better put together than a 996 and 997 too. Not cheap mind you. I specced a standard GTI 5 door with performance pack and a few other bits on VWs configurator and it was close to £40,000!
Yeah, but you can get a Golf R for under £250 a month, so surely you can get a GTI for even less. A lot of car for the money really; has made me have a think once or twice!I read that the Mercedes was using a new/special Cup 2 tyre.
IMI A said:
Hats off to them for trying but you'd have to be seriously stoned to pay for £50k for a GolfIMI A said:
at least it has the Convenience Pack
sparta6 said:
IMI A said:
at least it has the Convenience Pack
thegreenhell said:
sparta6 said:
IMI A said:
at least it has the Convenience Pack
With expensive dealer coffee
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