Struggling with PDK
Discussion
LeighB said:
Forgive my ignorance, but is the PDK-S stated in several posts just the PDK box in Sport mode, or a different thing altogether?
Interesting read as I'm thinking 981 Boxster S next, and with the lack of nicely spec'd manuals out there a PDK may be the way to go as so many more of them on the used market. Even then, the 'right' ones are still few and far between.
Interesting read as I'm thinking 981 Boxster S next, and with the lack of nicely spec'd manuals out there a PDK may be the way to go as so many more of them on the used market. Even then, the 'right' ones are still few and far between.
Maxym said:
Just to be clear, which cars have 'PDK S'?
Anyone?LeighB said:
LeighB said:
Forgive my ignorance, but is the PDK-S stated in several posts just the PDK box in Sport mode, or a different thing altogether?
Interesting read as I'm thinking 981 Boxster S next, and with the lack of nicely spec'd manuals out there a PDK may be the way to go as so many more of them on the used market. Even then, the 'right' ones are still few and far between.
Interesting read as I'm thinking 981 Boxster S next, and with the lack of nicely spec'd manuals out there a PDK may be the way to go as so many more of them on the used market. Even then, the 'right' ones are still few and far between.
Maxym said:
Just to be clear, which cars have 'PDK S'?
Anyone?boxsey said:
Gerber1 said:
The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can, so in hindsight I am not the target audience of PDK.
Crikey that's a bold statement to make!
We can all be heroes on the internet 
Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.
When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
blueg33 said:
Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.
When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
No, you've not missed anything.When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
Cobnapint said:
blueg33 said:
Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.
When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
No, you've not missed anything.When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
He probably needs to practice with the car. I have just changed my Evora to an S IPS (auto with paddles and latest software), not quite as good as pdk, but its just like a manual in sport mode, it only changes when you tell it too, and it changes way faster than I ever could, but I have found that I need practice, mainly because I am not used to pulling a paddle.
Cobnapint said:
boxsey said:
Gerber1 said:
The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can, so in hindsight I am not the target audience of PDK.
Crikey that's a bold statement to make!blueg33 said:
Cobnapint said:
blueg33 said:
Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.
When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
No, you've not missed anything.When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick
He probably needs to practice with the car. I have just changed my Evora to an S IPS (auto with paddles and latest software), not quite as good as pdk, but its just like a manual in sport mode, it only changes when you tell it too, and it changes way faster than I ever could, but I have found that I need practice, mainly because I am not used to pulling a paddle.
Ah, ok, the Cayman GTS I drove had sports chrono so also had PDK S, I think? It certainly didn't change on me behalf except when I cam to a stand still and it flipped into first.
Still the OP needs to practice with it though.
We have a DSG Octavia (twin clutch auto), it also doesn't change on your behalf in manual mode unless its about to stall (never taken it to the redline). Surprised Porsche have let the regular PDK be the boss
Still the OP needs to practice with it though.
We have a DSG Octavia (twin clutch auto), it also doesn't change on your behalf in manual mode unless its about to stall (never taken it to the redline). Surprised Porsche have let the regular PDK be the boss
Gerber1 said:
Yes you have missed something, even in manual mode the car will change gear without you asking it to. PDK-S what is being described elsewhere in this thread sounds much better.
With normal PDK in manual mode (shift lever pushed to the left) it will not change gear without you asking it to...except if your road speed drops to a point where the gear selected is too high, in which case it will drop a gear to prevent stalling e.g. it will go down gears when coming to rest. It will certainly not change up gears on its own when the shifter is in manual mode. This includes hitting the red line where it will just keep bouncing off the limiter until you intervene with the paddles (the old tiptronic box would shift up in that scenario but this has been removed for the PDK). Temporary manual mode when you pull a paddle is different because you're only over riding auto for a few seconds (so it'll go back to auto mode if you're not constantly shifting).
With normal PDK in manual mode (shift lever pushed to the left) it will not change gear without you asking it to...except if your road speed drops to a point where the gear selected is too high, in which case it will drop a gear to prevent stalling e.g. it will go down gears when coming to rest. It will certainly not change up gears on its own when the shifter is in manual mode. This includes hitting the red line where it will just keep bouncing off the limiter until you intervene with the paddles (the old tiptronic box would shift up in that scenario but this has been removed for the PDK). Temporary manual mode when you pull a paddle is different because you're only over riding auto for a few seconds (so it'll go back to auto mode if you're not constantly shifting).
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t what a fag I think i'll keep with that stick thingy in the middle of the carGerber1 said:
Is it acceptable to spend most of your time instructing the car to change gear when the car has an automatic gearbox? I don’t know if it’s just me but I am really struggling.
The two scenarios where PDK is efficient; stop start traffic, the race track.
The problem I am having is the in-between driving, where you want to make good progress. The reality is the car is always in the wrong gear and I’m having to exert myself constantly to drive in a manner you would expect of a careful and competent driver.
This is easy in a manual car as you can make use of revs, torque, anticipation and block shifting to make good consistent progress with minimal effort, minimal fuel consumption and maximum enjoyment.
Unlike PDK which if left to its own devices changes up when feathering the throttle, cornering, or even mid-overtake. This is in addition to the fact that PDK does not have a pair of eyes nor does it know your intentions, so if left to its own devices it will get caught out when you meet a hazard.
This is my first automatic so I am still open to enlightenment but I’m guessing my options are; suck it up or attempt to buy a manual (rare as they are)?
Hmmm... I had always had manuals until I got my 981 Cayman S. PDK wasn't on my list of essentials but I couldn't find a manual with what I wanted. The two scenarios where PDK is efficient; stop start traffic, the race track.
The problem I am having is the in-between driving, where you want to make good progress. The reality is the car is always in the wrong gear and I’m having to exert myself constantly to drive in a manner you would expect of a careful and competent driver.
This is easy in a manual car as you can make use of revs, torque, anticipation and block shifting to make good consistent progress with minimal effort, minimal fuel consumption and maximum enjoyment.
Unlike PDK which if left to its own devices changes up when feathering the throttle, cornering, or even mid-overtake. This is in addition to the fact that PDK does not have a pair of eyes nor does it know your intentions, so if left to its own devices it will get caught out when you meet a hazard.
This is my first automatic so I am still open to enlightenment but I’m guessing my options are; suck it up or attempt to buy a manual (rare as they are)?
I thought I would struggle a while to get used to the PDK and the left foot doing what it shouldn't but its been no problem.
The way I see driving with PDK is that straight auto is mainly efficiency, getting the best economy from the car. The box choses the highest gear wherever possible, I can intervene with the paddles now and again but basically it does it's thing.
If I want to have a lil fun manual mode puts me in charge, gear changes when I want them then reverts to auto.
I wouldn't say the PDK is the be all and end all, my take is it brings something different to the proceedings.
If I really want to get on it, quicker changes, Sport does the job perfectly. I rarely use Sport Plus.
When I'm out on a Sunday morning on my favourite roads in manual mode, it changes gear when I want it to, instantly. I would never go for a spirited drive in full auto as I wouldn't expect the box, even with all its tech and sensors, 'to know' what kind of bend I'm approaching and what gear to select at the moment I really want it.
In the end I think it comes down to either user error, misplaced expectation/perception or has been said, PDK is just not for you.
Gerber1 said:
Yes you have missed something, even in manual mode the car will change gear without you asking it to. PDK-S what is being described elsewhere in this thread sounds much better.
No it won't. This has been explained more than once, yet you keep saying it. You're wrong. The only time it will change gear without a request is to prevent stalling.
Paul_M3 said:
Gerber1 said:
Yes you have missed something, even in manual mode the car will change gear without you asking it to. PDK-S what is being described elsewhere in this thread sounds much better.
No it won't. This has been explained more than once, yet you keep saying it. You're wrong. The only time it will change gear without a request is to prevent stalling.Will contact my OPC.
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