Struggling with PDK

[hondansx]

It will upshift on the limiter. PDK-S won't.

[Gerber1]

hondansx said:

It will upshift on the limiter. PDK-S won't.

It'll also automatically shift down in manual too, not really manual mode in my opinion.

[Paul_M3]

hondansx said:

It will upshift on the limiter. PDK-S won't.

So how come my 987 Cayman S would sit bouncing off the rev limiter then? It'll only upshift if you've clamped your foot to the floor and activated the kickdown switch.

Edited by Paul_M3 on Friday 23 December 17:17

[boxsey]

Paul_M3 said:

hondansx said:

It will upshift on the limiter. PDK-S won't.

So how come my 987 Cayman S would sit bouncing off the rev limiter then? It'll only upshift if you've clamped your foot to the floor and activated the lockdown switch.

Same here...bounced off the limiter a few times on track when I didn't shift up in time (read not paying enough attention ).

[isaldiri]

Gerber1 said:

The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can, so in hindsight I am not the target audience of PDK.

You can drive the full industry t13 ring lap in a 987 inside 8:10....? That means btg lap of 7:45 or so. Seriously? Maximum respect if so but however quick one is has little to do with being the dual clutch target audience either tbh.

[Whaleblue]

I've ordered a PDK, with nice flappy paddles.

Imagine if this type of arrangement had been the norm since the birth of the ICE. What would folk would say about a peddle you had to push and a stick in the middle of the car you had to jiggle (and take your hands off the steering wheel in the process) in order to select a different gear?

Doubt I'll ever buy a manual again.

[sidicks]

Gerber1 said:

My car must be faulty, as I have just got home after a drive and despite the shifter being in manual mode the thing shifted from 2nd to 3rd automatically - admittedly the car was sat on the red line for a few seconds as I was pulling skids but that's not the point.

Will contact my OPC.

"Pulling skids" !!

[David W.]

Whaleblue said:

I've ordered a PDK, with nice flappy paddles.

Imagine if this type of arrangement had been the norm since the birth of the ICE. What would folk would say about a peddle you had to push and a stick in the middle of the car you had to jiggle (and take your hands off the steering wheel in the process) in order to select a different gear?

Doubt I'll ever buy a manual again.

No choke, auto gears, auto headlights, auto dipping mirror, auto wipers, active cruise control, lane control, auto steering, auto parking, when does a driver become a passenger?
4 out of 5 cars here still manual by choice.

[Whaleblue]

David W. said:

No choke, auto gears, auto headlights, auto dipping mirror, auto wipers, active cruise control, lane control, auto steering, auto parking, when does a driver become a passenger?
4 out of 5 cars here still manual by choice.

In around 8 years. At least that's when self-driving cars will seriously get going.

But, for me, PDK in manual mode is the final evolution of the best way for a human to be in control. YMMV.

[mnk303]

BubblesNW said:

Do you have sport and sport plus on your PDK?
If not, that could be the answer you're looking for.

I drive 997 turbo s (997 Gen2 ) and now leave it in sports mode, works and reacts just as I like, I do use paddles at times as well, but to honest it fine 95% of the time .

[Cobnapint]

sidicks said:

Gerber1 said:

My car must be faulty, as I have just got home after a drive and despite the shifter being in manual mode the thing shifted from 2nd to 3rd automatically - admittedly the car was sat on the red line for a few seconds as I was pulling skids but that's not the point.

Will contact my OPC.

"Pulling skids" !!

+1

[sidicks]

Gerber1 said:

admittedly the car was sat on the red line for a few seconds as I was pulling skids but that's not the point.

Gerber1 said:

The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can

You really are 'the man' (or think you are!).

Are you likely to get an F1 drive next year?

[HighwayStar]

sidicks said:

Gerber1 said:

admittedly the car was sat on the red line for a few seconds as I was pulling skids but that's not the point.

Gerber1 said:

The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can

You really are 'the man' (or think you are!).

Are you likely to get an F1 drive next year?

If only Mercedes or Williams had waited a little longer

[drmark]

sidicks said:

You really are 'the man' (or think you are!).

Are you likely to get an F1 drive next year?

I think (hope) he is being funny - not serious.

[Carlson W6]

mnk303 said:

I drive 997 turbo s (997 Gen2 ) and now leave it in sports mode, works and reacts just as I like, I do use paddles at times as well, but to honest it fine 95% of the time .

I also drive a 997 Turbo S and leave it in sport mode,over riding it with the paddles when i want to make a decision(s).

I find it just as fun and exhilarating as driving as a manual,but have the option to just leave the car in 'drive' when pootling in traffic.

Sports Plus in a Turbo S is crazy.

[Tony 1234]

sidicks said:

Gerber1 said:

The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can

You really are 'the man' (or think you are!).

Are you likely to get an F1 drive next year?

this should be in the joke thread

[e8_pack]

Tony 1234 said:

sidicks said:

Gerber1 said:

The problem is I can lap my manual 987 round the ring in exactly the same time as Porsche test drivers can

You really are 'the man' (or think you are!).

Are you likely to get an F1 drive next year?

this should be in the joke thread

Left a 't out? Simple typo to make I suppose

[e8_pack]

blueg33 said:

Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.

When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick

You are missing the biggest fundamental point.

The gearstick indicates your gear selection by hand and feel, you don't need to think, it's instinctive, you know where you last put the gearstick and it stays there.

Unless they start making paddles with a gear position, then you'll constantly have to:

A: look at the readout or
B: count gears

Both remove concentration from driving, B is confounded by the car auto shifting making you lose count.

[ATM]

e8_pack said:

blueg33 said:

Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.

When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick

You are missing the biggest fundamental point.

The gearstick indicates your gear selection by hand and feel, you don't need to think, it's instinctive, you know where you last put the gearstick and it stays there.

Unless they start making paddles with a gear position, then you'll constantly have to:

A: look at the readout or
B: count gears

Both remove concentration from driving, B is confounded by the car auto shifting making you lose count.

I'm not too sure about this. Most well prepared race cars have sequential shifters these days but I'll admit I've never driven one. You would still have to rely on A or B from above.

I'll admit that you can feel where the gearstick is with a H patern and know what gear it is in but this still requires you to move your hand unless you leave it there. I can't imagine not having time for a monetary glance at the readout if you require a reminder. I'd prefer to do this than start moving my hand around.

All this aside you can generally feel what gear the car is in. This was easier with a 5 speed where you generally only use 2, 3 and 4. The modern pdk has more gears and they're all longer. I can admit that I dont have a clue what gear my Porsche is unless I look at the display. But most of the time but I just stick the pdk in sport and forget about gears.

[blueg33]

e8_pack said:

blueg33 said:

Am I missing something? Surely in manual mode its manual, you change using the paddles rather than a stick, but its still manual.

When I test drove a pdk Cayman gets, I thought the gearbox was amazing, in manual mode I could do my favourite roads quicker than in the manual evora, but it was less engaging than using a clutch pedal and a stick

You are missing the biggest fundamental point.

The gearstick indicates your gear selection by hand and feel, you don't need to think, it's instinctive, you know where you last put the gearstick and it stays there.

Unless they start making paddles with a gear position, then you'll constantly have to:

A: look at the readout or
B: count gears

Both remove concentration from driving, B is confounded by the car auto shifting making you lose count.

Completely disagree, you can tell which gear you are in by the tone of the engine, the speed the outside is moving past, the responsiveness of the throttle. You dont need a stick for that unless you are totally inexperienced. I rarely look at the read out and never count the gears. I also dont see why its ok to touch the stick to confirm a gear but not look at a readout right in front of you.

Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 28th December 12:51