Best residuals - 987 Cayman R vs 981 GTS
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I had a 987 S and test drove the R for a potential upgrade. The R is a tangibly better drive (spec says about 100lb lighter) but that comes with a lot of tyre roar and general clatter (gravel in arches etc.). Then I tried a sporty spec GTS and a deal was done. It's in a different league: faster, grippier and better looking - inside and out. It yields a point to the R's hydraulic steering but otherwise it's more sophisticated in every respect. Oh, and the sound is sublime.
As the last and best NA 3.4, I reckon the outlook for residuals is good ... which leaves me with a dilemma. The only car that I'd sell the GTS for is a GT4. So like you, I'm wondering about residuals on the next rung of the ladder. Life is hard.
As the last and best NA 3.4, I reckon the outlook for residuals is good ... which leaves me with a dilemma. The only car that I'd sell the GTS for is a GT4. So like you, I'm wondering about residuals on the next rung of the ladder. Life is hard.
Buy the correct spec at the right price & you'll not go far wrong with either.
I'd definitely go manual- it's more future proofed- it won't be upgraded. Though maybe it's less of an issue with the 981- it being the slightly "plusher" car.
A 987R at circa 40k has perhaps less to loose than a 60k 981GTS. Granted the R is a few years older than the GTS.
Depends how long you see yourself keeping it I guess.Longer term I'd go with the R.
I'd definitely go manual- it's more future proofed- it won't be upgraded. Though maybe it's less of an issue with the 981- it being the slightly "plusher" car.
A 987R at circa 40k has perhaps less to loose than a 60k 981GTS. Granted the R is a few years older than the GTS.
Depends how long you see yourself keeping it I guess.Longer term I'd go with the R.
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I didn't say that at all - I only point at it being a press car on the basis that they were the only vehicles that were really specified to the concept of what Porsche were marketing. Most buyers, self included, looked at the marketing and then compromised the concept by adding back a fair amount of the weight that had been removed.
As I said in my earlier post, the further away you move from the concept of the R, the more it becomes an S with a bodykit and badge. This can only impact residuals if offered for sale alongside cars that are closer or truer to the marketing concept with sports bucket seats, spyder wheels and so on.
I wouldn't touch a press car or ex-experience centre car as it happens. I don't care if it was the launch colour either. It's a colour that belongs on a Citroen Saxo.
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So they shouldn't sell press cars?anonymous said:
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I agree. Why would anyone take care of a press car? Maybe I wouldn't rag the car mercilessly from cold but I certainly wouldn't treat it the same as I would mine. There simply isn't the economic incentive to do so.The interior also gets worn badly. I mean do they actually get new leather coverings in the prep for re-sale? Otherwise to me, I'd budget for an early engine rebuild and new interior trimmings at the v least.
Regarding press cars it's not about how you treat them in terms of warming up etc. it's more that they are put in situations that many non press cars aren't. I.e. On tracks, sideways, hard accelerating and breaking etc. This doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them as this is what they are designed for but I personally wouldn't buy an ex press car.
All opinions of course but peridot is my favourite colour for an R but I couldn't find one when I was looking.
All opinions of course but peridot is my favourite colour for an R but I couldn't find one when I was looking.
I'm with cmoose - I wouldn't want a press car for something that I would drive and make any use of. These things are designed to be driven hard, but they are not designed to be abused and lets be honest, sometimes the press test manufacturer claims by trying to break them (ie stating that there are no limits on the number of launch control starts you can perform), or pursue that perfect airborne photo etc. Just because they don't manage to break anything at the time, it doesn't mean it hasn't shortened the life of a range of components for some poor sap to have to pick up the bill for later in the cars life. Press cars are driven much harder than most would drive their own.
As a part of a collection in some underground lockup being preserved as a museum piece you'd probably find that at some distant point in the future it could be rolled out and sold at auction for more because it was a press car.
As a part of a collection in some underground lockup being preserved as a museum piece you'd probably find that at some distant point in the future it could be rolled out and sold at auction for more because it was a press car.
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I was actually being facetitious regarding the press car comment. Press cars are abused. The sky is blue. Grass is green. Tell us something we don't know.I mentioned the JZM car being an ex-press car not as an endorsement of provenance but on the basis of spec and along with that an implied caution. In the OP's shoes, I'd consider it to be a good example true to the concept of what Porsche marketed (if you can live without aircon and don't mind Peridot Green) but if you're worried about residuals, press use would put me off and I'm not alone.
Due to the public perception of press cars, Porsche put a lot more work into ensuring that they're mechanically perfect, fit new tyres and support them with extended warranties to allay fears and objections when they go into the dealer network. That might be good enough for some people.
i used to own a black 968 CS. Reg was A968 POR
not sure if it was a launch car but it appeared in loads of more recent mag articles bigging up the 968 CS
as such the "history file" was bulging and the car had "provenance"..the exact car driven and raved about by Andrew Frankel blah blah
thats how it works in the long term
the JZM Peridot car will be the same in the v long term IMHO. spec wise being true lightweight spec it will be worth more - same reason lightweight 911 2.7 RS's sell for more money than touring spec. nothing to do with the fact we all know a trip to Spa and back in July would be a PITA with no a/c or tunes
not sure if it was a launch car but it appeared in loads of more recent mag articles bigging up the 968 CS
as such the "history file" was bulging and the car had "provenance"..the exact car driven and raved about by Andrew Frankel blah blah
thats how it works in the long term
the JZM Peridot car will be the same in the v long term IMHO. spec wise being true lightweight spec it will be worth more - same reason lightweight 911 2.7 RS's sell for more money than touring spec. nothing to do with the fact we all know a trip to Spa and back in July would be a PITA with no a/c or tunes
I've driven the GTS on track and own an R. Can't go far wrong with either they are both great cars and will hold their value pretty well. Personally I think the R is a better car but I'm clearly biased. However, I think this because it doesn't have any engineered in pops and crackles, which are fun for about 5 mins and then a ridiculously contrived PITA, so the engine on the R is purer and better for it IMHO. Also, the R has far better steering and let's be spear spec wise is pretty much bang on what an enthusiast wants. Mid engined, RWD, hydraulic steering, manual, proper handbrake, and naturally aspirated, the GTS is missing two of these things 
Thanks for posting that Slippy. Had mine out at Oulton again on Thursday...it gets more and more fun each time I drive it. Agree about the point in the article about the R feeling loose at the rear. The way it moves about underneath you when pressing on is what delivers that fun factor. 
boxsey said:
Thanks for posting that Slippy. Had mine out at Oulton again on Thursday...it gets more and more fun each time I drive it. Agree about the point in the article about the R feeling loose at the rear. The way it moves about underneath you when pressing on is what delivers that fun factor.
It's a nicely written article that hits the nail on the head with regards to the R and it's more driver focussed nature when compared with a 981 CGTS. The 981 GTS is a lovely thing, but really special, tactile and engaging ? Not so much.Not sure the CR will reach the dizzy heights seen by 964 RS values over the last 3-4 years, only time will tell ....
Slippydiff said:
Not sure the CR will reach the dizzy heights seen by 964 RS values over the last 3-4 years, only time will tell ....
Hope not!...I'm only interested in driving mine. I can do without having to consider its value (fortunately the transmission in mine means it's not a desirable one )Mrs James T's three year old Macan is up for a change and she fancies a Boxster GTS for some reason having had Boxsters in the past and my daily hack 535d filling the role of family wagon.
My local OPC has a silver one with basic options (no nav or phone) for £56k and a Sapphire Blue one for £60k with all the toys. Three years from now will the £4k extra be well spent? The blue one has 3,000 miles and the silver one has 8,000 miles. I think I know the answer but the knowledgeable of you will be sure to guide me!
My local OPC has a silver one with basic options (no nav or phone) for £56k and a Sapphire Blue one for £60k with all the toys. Three years from now will the £4k extra be well spent? The blue one has 3,000 miles and the silver one has 8,000 miles. I think I know the answer but the knowledgeable of you will be sure to guide me!
She prefers silver and I prefer the one with the better resale value!
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Do we still see the 6 cd stacker as a must for resale ? These were still a priced extra until a few years ago and a must have extra ! PCM 3 IMHO is not a deal breaker for resale in a few years time (PCM 4 is a different story) it is more important to have DAB for when fm gets switched off!
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