Thinking about a 997 Turbo S

Thinking about a 997 Turbo S

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Jabbah

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1,331 posts

153 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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I had a look around a nice low mileage example today and am quite interested but wanted a bit of advice from you guys. Is there anything obvious I should be asking about? Is the price currently about right? Seems to match with other examples with similar mileage. What are typical depreciation costs like at the moment on 997.2TTs? They don't seem to have moved much recently and not that you can trust the salesman but he thought they hadn't moved much for the last year. Depreciation isn't that important, but nice to know what I would be getting into.





Wilmslowboy

4,189 posts

205 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Jabbah said:
I.......Is there anything obvious I should be asking about? ...
Do they have one in another colour biggrin

Price looks ok for a Official Porsche centre car with 2 years warranty
Spec looks good
Centre locks can be hard to live with

Colour is a bit marmite

I looked into buying one about two years ago - prices were pretty much the same....very early 991 turbo S are still £100k+, so this should protect values for 997s for a little longer.

FeelingLucky

1,082 posts

163 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Absolutely stunning colour.

911V retailed my S (same age, twice the mileage, bassalt) for £72k and sold it before it finished prep.
Purchased 3 years previous for £75k at OPC, so if you can overlook the initial three year depreciation of £50k, I'd say glacial.

tjlees

1,382 posts

236 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Low.

The 997.1 TT are also holding up well so it will probably stay this way. Iirc the 997.2 turbo s didn't receive particularly good reviews at the time of its release, but for me it ticks all the boxes. Put on a europipe exhaust to at sort the lack of noise and you have the perfect GT car.

FeelingLucky

1,082 posts

163 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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For me at least the Gen2 Turbo is a vastly better car (owned both).
I only started to look into an S after reading the stunning review in Car.

Noise is plenty as std.

Jabbah

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1,331 posts

153 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Wilmslowboy said:
Colour is a bit marmite
FeelingLucky said:
Absolutely stunning colour.
Ha, see what you mean. I'm not sure if I prefer black, but black is very common and this colour wasn't available as a standard option on the 7.2 Turbo S according to the man. It's Ruby Red Metallic if anyone knows otherwise.

FeelingLucky said:
Noise is plenty as std.
I've lived with a TVR with a sports exhaust and decat for 6 years, my ears need a break!

Thanks for the comments guys, gives me a bit more confidence.

DG27

153 posts

168 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I had one for 2 years from new and it was awesome, so fast, such a great car and took it around Alps and Italy

Jabbah

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1,331 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Would you guys recommend getting an HPI check done and an independent inspection? Would the results of the 111 point check be enough? The car is going to have a major service done before being sold as the last two services were both minor ones. Also the car has had 4 owners, should that be a concern?

Budflicker

3,799 posts

183 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Jabbah said:
Would you guys recommend getting an HPI check done and an independent inspection? Would the results of the 111 point check be enough? The car is going to have a major service done before being sold as the last two services were both minor ones. Also the car has had 4 owners, should that be a concern?
I believe that car has an incomplete service history, wrong services and not done on time? When a car is top money these things need to be right, because the next buyer will be bothered about it.

Legacywr

12,017 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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That's quite a few owners..

London GT3

1,025 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I was the third owner of this car from August 2015 until March 2016. I recall taking the mileage from 12,000 to 15,000. I purchased it because I had never owned a Porsche 911 Turbo and wanted to tick that box. The first owner was a very wealthy lady in Fulham who traded the car for a new 991 Turbo S. The second owner was a car collector who then passed away and large parts of his collection were purchased as a single lot. I bought the car from an independent dealer and it had been serviced in July 2015 by OPC Solihull just before I saw the car. It had everything done except the plugs. I was prepared to have the plugs changed but OPC Hatfield put the 12 month warranty on the car for me in Nov 2015 (I had to wait for 90 days after purchasing the car before the OPC warranty could be added) and they passed the car as correct. I sold the car in March 2016 to a very good friend of mine who has a super collection of cars and his wife has used it as her main car.

It is a very well specified car with no adverse history. The only blip on the service history was the lack of plug change in July 2015 and I believe that has been rectified. If that stops you buying a car that otherwise meets your requirements then you probably need to buy new.

I have no involvement with this car now, other than I know the last owner. It is a great example of a 997 Turbo S in a good colour – a pleasant change from black, grey or silver. A 2 year Porsche Warranty should give you peace of mind.

Jabbah

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1,331 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Budflicker said:
I believe that car has an incomplete service history, wrong services and not done on time? When a car is top money these things need to be right, because the next buyer will be bothered about it.
Service history is:

10/2012 8000 miles minor
07/2015 13429 miles minor

That second service is a year late and minor instead of major, but also only 5k miles between. It has now done 18.5k without an official major service, although as London GT3 said, it was only plugs that were not done for that second service.

Jabbah

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1,331 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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London GT3 said:
If that stops you buying a car that otherwise meets your requirements then you probably need to buy new.
Thanks for the info London, good to know a bit more about the history. The only reason it is giving me reason for pause is due to how it may look to a future purchaser. It is a slight blemish on an otherwise great car, and when they are asking slightly above similar examples you wouldn't expect that. When the second service is late and minor instead of major it would make you wonder if the car has been cared for properly around those times. All someone will probably see in the history is minor minor. I do plan on keeping the car for a while in which case it probably wouldn't matter as much, but you never know.

SL550M

589 posts

109 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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OP. You owned a Red Rose lightweight Cerbera. Surely no purchase is scary after that! smile

Seriously, that colour is very special in the metal and such a pleasing deviation from the norm. For what it's worth, I dithered over a Speed Yellow 997 Turbo S about two years ago (at OPC Leeds) and lost out to another buyer. My shins are still bruised from constantly kicking myself! So I'd got for it, if I were you.

If you're playing safe, there's a really nice Turbo S currently for sale at a certain dealer in Derbyshire. Safer colour (GT silver), great spec and £13k less money...

http://www.tomhartley.com/used/2010/porsche/911-tu...

Good luck!

Younez

1,057 posts

165 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Jabbah said:
Would you guys recommend getting an HPI check done and an independent inspection? Would the results of the 111 point check be enough? The car is going to have a major service done before being sold as the last two services were both minor ones. Also the car has had 4 owners, should that be a concern?
Normal to have high number of owners on these cars.

SRT Hellcat

7,017 posts

216 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I don't see a problem with the history and personally I really like the colour. Makes a refreshing change from silver or black. Get it bought and enjoy smile

Legacywr

12,017 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I like the fact it hasn't got the nasty 2 tone seats like the other 2 for sale!

Maxym

2,019 posts

235 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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SL550M said:
OP. You owned a Red Rose lightweight Cerbera. Surely no purchase is scary after that! smile

Seriously, that colour is very special in the metal and such a pleasing deviation from the norm. For what it's worth, I dithered over a Speed Yellow 997 Turbo S about two years ago (at OPC Leeds) and lost out to another buyer. My shins are still bruised from constantly kicking myself! So I'd got for it, if I were you.

If you're playing safe, there's a really nice Turbo S currently for sale at a certain dealer in Derbyshire. Safer colour (GT silver), great spec and £13k less money...

http://www.tomhartley.com/used/2010/porsche/911-tu...

Good luck!
What is it with Tom Hartley and that puddle?

OP - love the colour. Maybe the brake calipers clash a bit but I'm probably being a bit anal.

tjlees

1,382 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Younez said:
Jabbah said:
Would you guys recommend getting an HPI check done and an independent inspection? Would the results of the 111 point check be enough? The car is going to have a major service done before being sold as the last two services were both minor ones. Also the car has had 4 owners, should that be a concern?
Normal to have high number of owners on these cars.
I assuming it will have 2 year opc warranty so 111 point should have been done. HPI is always worth it for the amount paid. Normally it would 20k and/or two years between servicing so you are taking a risk on the re-sale. If they are doing a major, they should include brake fluid change and a/c service since its probably never been done.

Is an independent inspection worth it? Probably - I had mine inspected and bearing in mind it had a opc warranty, one of the rads was damaged (bird strike), bottom of the valance was damaged (£1000 to replace with opc painted part), wheel was kerbed (£120 opc quote) and it confirmed that hadn't had a major crash.

Bikeracer1098

510 posts

187 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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London GT3 said:
I was the third owner of this car from August 2015 until March 2016. I recall taking the mileage from 12,000 to 15,000. I purchased it because I had never owned a Porsche 911 Turbo and wanted to tick that box. The first owner was a very wealthy lady in Fulham who traded the car for a new 991 Turbo S. The second owner was a car collector who then passed away and large parts of his collection were purchased as a single lot. I bought the car from an independent dealer and it had been serviced in July 2015 by OPC Solihull just before I saw the car. It had everything done except the plugs. I was prepared to have the plugs changed but OPC Hatfield put the 12 month warranty on the car for me in Nov 2015 (I had to wait for 90 days after purchasing the car before the OPC warranty could be added) and they passed the car as correct. I sold the car in March 2016 to a very good friend of mine who has a super collection of cars and his wife has used it as her main car.

It is a very well specified car with no adverse history. The only blip on the service history was the lack of plug change in July 2015 and I believe that has been rectified. If that stops you buying a car that otherwise meets your requirements then you probably need to buy new.

I have no involvement with this car now, other than I know the last owner. It is a great example of a 997 Turbo S in a good colour – a pleasant change from black, grey or silver. A 2 year Porsche Warranty should give you peace of mind.
I've got one myself.

Being a 2010 car the service history should be as follows (3 service stamps in the book)
In 2012 should have had minor service & brake fluid change
In 2014 should have had major service, spark plugs and brake fluid change.
In 2016 should have had minor service, brake fluid change, air filter, a PDK clutch fluid changed, AWD fluid

Hope that helps