991.2 GT3 bun fight?
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FWIW was next to Manthey garage at Dubai 24 hour and they confirmed gen 2 will not be limited as such and they will accept orders from anyone. I assume they are well connected and just passing on what I was told so dont jump on me for posting this.
I have had the last 3 x GT3, and a GT4. but currently not excited by the Gen 2 991, maybe that will change once released. Enjoying new R8 V10 plus as a daily, highly underrated car IMV and look forward to drives in cold and wet. Lucky enough to have some older air cooled so not sure I would use a GT3, it would need to be a daily for me as I dont track road cars.
I hope they make enough and with VW needing every cent of profit I have to believe the finance guys will make the call and not the marketing department.Brand image is not top of mind when the balance sheet is impaired by a few billion. They can create more hype with a GEN2 R that surely will happen
But what do I know
BTW, instead of paying overs, rent a small house in Northern Spain for 400 Euro per month and keep a LHD car there (trust me Spain will have spare cars), better roads, better weather and you will save money and have a holiday home
I have had the last 3 x GT3, and a GT4. but currently not excited by the Gen 2 991, maybe that will change once released. Enjoying new R8 V10 plus as a daily, highly underrated car IMV and look forward to drives in cold and wet. Lucky enough to have some older air cooled so not sure I would use a GT3, it would need to be a daily for me as I dont track road cars.
I hope they make enough and with VW needing every cent of profit I have to believe the finance guys will make the call and not the marketing department.Brand image is not top of mind when the balance sheet is impaired by a few billion. They can create more hype with a GEN2 R that surely will happen
But what do I know
BTW, instead of paying overs, rent a small house in Northern Spain for 400 Euro per month and keep a LHD car there (trust me Spain will have spare cars), better roads, better weather and you will save money and have a holiday home
Jeweller70 said:
BTW, instead of paying overs, rent a small house in Northern Spain for 400 Euro per month and keep a LHD car there (trust me Spain will have spare cars), better roads, better weather and you will save money and have a holiday home
Like your thinking but surely better to buy a holiday home than rent still cheaper than overs
SL550M said:
isaldiri said:
imo if people put an interest in and keep on following up with the OPC rather than throwing a fit over not getting an early car, the chances do favour getting a car. That happened to the 991 gt3 and the gt4 when production numbers kept on increasing over time. And that did to a lesser extent happen with even the 991RS.
That's true. There are some toys being thrown out of prams. However, there are also some genuine enthusiast/buyers who want a GT3 for the right reasons and are prepared to wait. I'd humbly count myself as one such person. That still doesn't mean I'll get one. The reality is, no amount of sweet talk or patience is going to necessarily pay off in this market. Two of the OPCs I spoke to basically said 'no chance mate', or words to that effect. It certainly didn't give me any cause for optimism, but hey ho, it's not the end of the world is it. GT4P said:
Jeweller70 said:
BTW, instead of paying overs, rent a small house in Northern Spain for 400 Euro per month and keep a LHD car there (trust me Spain will have spare cars), better roads, better weather and you will save money and have a holiday home
Like your thinking but surely better to buy a holiday home than rent still cheaper than oversJeweller70 said:
FWIW was next to Manthey garage at Dubai 24 hour and they confirmed gen 2 will not be limited as such and they will accept orders from anyone. I assume they are well connected and just passing on what I was told so dont jump on me for posting this.
The GT3 has never been limited as such and the 991.2 will be no different, but they are limited by how many cars they can physically produce in the allotted production run. This is one reason why dealers never know the final number of cars they will receive, mainly because Porsche themselves are not 100% on exactly how many cars they can build. There will always be extra cars drip fed through towards the end of the production run when quotas are met and/or allocations for other markets are moved around to meet demands. Allocations for limited edition cars such as the R are far easier to distribute amongst the OPC’s when they already know exactly how many will produced.
Likewise the gt4 was never a limited production run but they were able to produce a lot more being built in Austria with towards the end an unshared production line! Whereas the Gt3 shares the production line with all models of 991 and currently the 718 so perhaps there will be less cars than the 991.1 gt3?
Jeweller70 said:
FWIW was next to Manthey garage at Dubai 24 hour and they confirmed gen 2 will not be limited as such and they will accept orders from anyone.
This is NOT the case. I know of at least 3 people who have been speaking to a number of OPC's over the past year and have been told they have no chance of getting a new one. One of these people comes from a very very wealthy family, is know to his local OPC and has offered to buy 3/4 high spec cars immediately in order to be guaranteed one and has still been told they cannot help him. Another guy i know, who again has a serious net worth, has been told that they will add his name to the list and see what they can do but it is unlikely.
He has been buying Porsches for 15-20 years from the same OPC. Over the last 12 years he has a new Cayenne with a good spec and has returned to OPC every 2 years!
Admittedly he only asked late last year and hasn't been into the OPC in person yet. Once he visits them i'm sure they will get him one.
The demand for these things is unreal.
To be honest i think its ridiculous we even have to have this conversation, as an enthusiast it's tiring feeling like you have to beg to get a car even with a decent purchase history.If i get another no and then see cars up for sale with 20% prems a month after release it could well be the final straw.
I really hope Porsche GB get a much better grip on allocations this time around
I really hope Porsche GB get a much better grip on allocations this time around
n17ves said:
Jeweller70 said:
FWIW was next to Manthey garage at Dubai 24 hour and they confirmed gen 2 will not be limited as such and they will accept orders from anyone. I assume they are well connected and just passing on what I was told so dont jump on me for posting this.
The GT3 has never been limited as such and the 991.2 will be no different, but they are limited by how many cars they can physically produce in the allotted production run. This is one reason why dealers never know the final number of cars they will receive, mainly because Porsche themselves are not 100% on exactly how many cars they can build. There will always be extra cars drip fed through towards the end of the production run when quotas are met and/or allocations for other markets are moved around to meet demands. Allocations for limited edition cars such as the R are far easier to distribute amongst the OPC’s when they already know exactly how many will produced.
Fish said:
rumour on rennlist is Feb 21st for GT3... Should be soon though as it will be announced before Geneva.. GT2RS will be in Summer for release in Autumn. (Apparently)
Yes looks like GT3 announcement expected before Geneva and in next 2 weeks.GT2 RS likely announcement Autumn.......probaly rarer than the R with anticipated c30 cars for UK.
Edited by av185 on Thursday 9th February 11:30
av185 said:
Fish said:
rumour on rennlist is Feb 21st for GT3... Should be soon though as it will be announced before Geneva.. GT2RS will be in Summer for release in Autumn. (Apparently)
Yes looks like GT3 announcement expected before Geneva and in next 2 weeks.GT2 RS likely announcement Autumn.......probaly rarer than the R with anticipated c30 cars for UK.
Edited by av185 on Thursday 9th February 11:30
rkwm1 said:
I know of at least 3 people who have been speaking to a number of OPC's over the past year and have been told they have no chance of getting a new one. One of these people comes from a very very wealthy family, is know to his local OPC and has offered to buy 3/4 high spec cars immediately in order to be guaranteed one and has still been told they cannot help him.
Sounds like the worst type of customer Porsche could possibly sell a new GT3 to.The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
av185 said:
Sounds like the worst type of customer Porsche could possibly sell a new GT3 to.
The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
why does it speak volumes? The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
This person has had Porsches from OPC in the past, but not recently. He and members of his family have had many high value cars over the years. He has only recently been bitten by the driving bug and having been on a few PEC days and other track days has decided having missed out on a GT4 he wants a GT3.
The fact that he will buy 3/4 cars off them to get one just shows his commitment to try and get a new one that he can spec. As it is unlikely that he will get allocated one, he is now prepared to pay a significant amount over for one when they arrive.
As for him been a customer that Porsche should not sell a new GT3 is ridiculous. This guy would use his car everyday and in pretty much any weather conditions. He is in a very fortunate position that any amount lost in depreciation and maintenance costs are so small to him that they are not even something he'd think about.
Unlike many of the members here and i include myself to a degree, who are constantly watching their milage and values of their cars and whether or not its the right time to sell, i think he is the perfect person to sell a GT3 to. At least members of the public would get to see at least 1 GT3 been driven round regularly then.
rkwm1 said:
av185 said:
Sounds like the worst type of customer Porsche could possibly sell a new GT3 to.
The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
why does it speak volumes?The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
This person has had Porsches from OPC in the past, but not recently. He and members of his family have had many high value cars over the years.
The fact that he will buy 3/4 cars off them to get one just shows his commitment to try and get a new one that he can spec. As it is unlikely that he will get allocated one, he is now prepared to pay a significant amount over for one when they arrive.
He is in a very fortunate position that any amount lost in depreciation and maintenance costs are so small to him that they are not even something he'd think about.
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