991.2 GT3 bun fight?
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rkwm1 said:
why does it speak volumes?
This person has had Porsches from OPC in the past, but not recently. He and members of his family have had many high value cars over the years. He has only recently been bitten by the driving bug and having been on a few PEC days and other track days has decided having missed out on a GT4 he wants a GT3.
The fact that he will buy 3/4 cars off them to get one just shows his commitment to try and get a new one that he can spec. As it is unlikely that he will get allocated one, he is now prepared to pay a significant amount over for one when they arrive.
As for him been a customer that Porsche should not sell a new GT3 is ridiculous. This guy would use his car everyday and in pretty much any weather conditions. He is in a very fortunate position that any amount lost in depreciation and maintenance costs are so small to him that they are not even something he'd think about.
Unlike many of the members here and i include myself to a degree, who are constantly watching their milage and values of their cars and whether or not its the right time to sell, i think he is the perfect person to sell a GT3 to. At least members of the public would get to see at least 1 GT3 been driven round regularly then.
As opposed to someone like me who has had 2 GTS' and would love to buy a GT3 and use it as my primary car. I would care about the cost to a degree as I am PAYE and not a multi £M who comes from a rich background. I would however still use the car everyday and people would get to see it. But yeah, just sell them to people who can afford to flip Cayennes and Panameras at a loss just so they can get a GT and make a few £££.This person has had Porsches from OPC in the past, but not recently. He and members of his family have had many high value cars over the years. He has only recently been bitten by the driving bug and having been on a few PEC days and other track days has decided having missed out on a GT4 he wants a GT3.
The fact that he will buy 3/4 cars off them to get one just shows his commitment to try and get a new one that he can spec. As it is unlikely that he will get allocated one, he is now prepared to pay a significant amount over for one when they arrive.
As for him been a customer that Porsche should not sell a new GT3 is ridiculous. This guy would use his car everyday and in pretty much any weather conditions. He is in a very fortunate position that any amount lost in depreciation and maintenance costs are so small to him that they are not even something he'd think about.
Unlike many of the members here and i include myself to a degree, who are constantly watching their milage and values of their cars and whether or not its the right time to sell, i think he is the perfect person to sell a GT3 to. At least members of the public would get to see at least 1 GT3 been driven round regularly then.
I visited the Bristol OPC recently and saw a lurid orange Turbo S for sale, salesman took great delight in telling me about how the owner flips them every few months, no doubt losing a significant amount in the process. I am sure he is eagerly awaiting his GT3 allocation.
av185 said:
It clearly speaks volumes because every aspect of your post relates to money.
I'm afraid this is the world that we live in. Money makes the world go round and possibly gets you into a new GT3 or not. Owning a GT3 now is all about how much you spend or have spent. For sure there will be long standing enthusiast customers who get one but a big number will be going to those who have spent the most. I'm pretty sure i've seen post by you on values of GT4's and GTS. please correct me if i'm wrong
tuffer said:
As opposed to someone like me who has had 2 GTS' and would love to buy a GT3 and use it as my primary car. I would care about the cost to a degree as I am PAYE and not a multi £M who comes from a rich background. I would however still use the car everyday and people would get to see it. But yeah, just sell them to people who can afford to flip Cayennes and Panameras at a loss just so they can get a GT and make a few £££.
I visited the Bristol OPC recently and saw a lurid orange Turbo S for sale, salesman took great delight in telling me about how the owner flips them every few months, no doubt losing a significant amount in the process. I am sure he is eagerly awaiting his GT3 allocation.
Fair play to you for having 2 GTS and wanting to drive a GT3 everyday. i hope you get 1I visited the Bristol OPC recently and saw a lurid orange Turbo S for sale, salesman took great delight in telling me about how the owner flips them every few months, no doubt losing a significant amount in the process. I am sure he is eagerly awaiting his GT3 allocation.
av185 said:
rkwm1 said:
av185 said:
Sounds like the worst type of customer Porsche could possibly sell a new GT3 to.
The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
why does it speak volumes?The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
This person has had Porsches from OPC in the past, but not recently. He and members of his family have had many high value cars over the years.
The fact that he will buy 3/4 cars off them to get one just shows his commitment to try and get a new one that he can spec. As it is unlikely that he will get allocated one, he is now prepared to pay a significant amount over for one when they arrive.
He is in a very fortunate position that any amount lost in depreciation and maintenance costs are so small to him that they are not even something he'd think about.
I think every dealer has multiple customers who buy cars two/three/four cars a year so if your angle is buying cars I don't think you're bringing anything to the party....and the one thing OPC's don't struggle with is selling cars, they can sell every car they get.
If as has been reported Porsche are actually trying to monitor flipping I assume OPC's are on watch to only sell cars to people they know and will drive them.
Porsche GB "One of your cars has just turned up at JZM for £100k over list"
OPC "The bloke came in and bought three Panamera Turbo's on the condition we offered
him an early slot...so we sold him the Panamera's"
My local OPC had a brand new 991 S and Cayenne S sitting in the showroom on 30th Dec....someone had ordered them and had gone silent when the cars were due for delivery...having posed as a customer buying for him and his wife they reckoned he was a broker. They were scrabbling trying to get them sold by 31st Dec. There are some massive chancers around.....they probably have someone in every week offering to buy three cars to get a GT3.
sidicks said:
av185 said:
It clearly speaks volumes because every aspect of your post relates to money.
He sounds like exactly the person who can afford to buy one in the 'overs' market...!And presumably he will not object to being placed in a prominant position high up in the 'second hand premium' queue behind the paupers.
:Cheib said:
The Head of Sales at an OPC I spoke to told me explicitly that they want people who will drive the cars to have them...and so far claims that they have "yet to see one of their cars end up flipped at Top 555"
I think every dealer has multiple customers who buy cars two/three/four cars a year so if your angle is buying cars I don't think you're bringing anything to the party....and the one thing OPC's don't struggle with is selling cars, they can sell every car they get.
If as has been reported Porsche are actually trying to monitor flipping I assume OPC's are on watch to only sell cars to people they know and will drive them.
Porsche GB "One of your cars has just turned up at JZM for £100k over list"
OPC "The bloke came in and bought three Panamera Turbo's on the condition we offered
him an early slot...so we sold him the Panamera's"
My local OPC had a brand new 991 S and Cayenne S sitting in the showroom on 30th Dec....someone had ordered them and had gone silent when the cars were due for delivery...having posed as a customer buying for him and his wife they reckoned he was a broker. They were scrabbling trying to get them sold by 31st Dec. There are some massive chancers around.....they probably have someone in every week offering to buy three cars to get a GT3.
if porsche care so much how is it that 911r was sold at significant amount over list at reading according to a post on here? I dont think that they were the only onesI think every dealer has multiple customers who buy cars two/three/four cars a year so if your angle is buying cars I don't think you're bringing anything to the party....and the one thing OPC's don't struggle with is selling cars, they can sell every car they get.
If as has been reported Porsche are actually trying to monitor flipping I assume OPC's are on watch to only sell cars to people they know and will drive them.
Porsche GB "One of your cars has just turned up at JZM for £100k over list"
OPC "The bloke came in and bought three Panamera Turbo's on the condition we offered
him an early slot...so we sold him the Panamera's"
My local OPC had a brand new 991 S and Cayenne S sitting in the showroom on 30th Dec....someone had ordered them and had gone silent when the cars were due for delivery...having posed as a customer buying for him and his wife they reckoned he was a broker. They were scrabbling trying to get them sold by 31st Dec. There are some massive chancers around.....they probably have someone in every week offering to buy three cars to get a GT3.
Edited by rkwm1 on Thursday 9th February 13:55
rkwm1 said:
I'm pretty sure i've seen post by you on values of GT4's and GTS. please correct me if i'm wrong
Yes you are correct.On the GT4 for sale and 'related' values thread......entirely relevant btw.
But not on any 'Wealthy person to whom money is no object has god given right to new GT3 simply by suddenly becoming an overnight enthusiast and ordering 3 new cars as leverage' thread.
rkwm1 said:
s2000db said:
So to sum up, you've got to buy loads of Porches, that'll lose loads of money, in order to buy one that'll make you a little..
Have I got that right??
No, you can offer to buy loads of Porsches but you still cant get a GT3 Have I got that right??
I have no intention of buying loads of mundane Porsche, but I am hoping for an allocation on the GT3 (4.0 manual sounds perfection) and registered my interest a long, long time ago. I also have no interest in selling my GT4 for a quick buck (unlike many on here) and will do my very best to afford the GT3 as well as keeping the GT4 (not a wealthy person by no means).
No matter how rich are or how many Porsches someone has bought, I would hope I have a better chance than those that cant keep a car longer than 6-12 months before moving onto the next shiny thing. GT cars are not just for Christmas!
Cheib said:
My local OPC had a brand new 991 S and Cayenne S sitting in the showroom on 30th Dec....someone had ordered them and had gone silent when the cars were due for delivery...having posed as a customer buying for him and his wife they reckoned he was a broker. They were scrabbling trying to get them sold by 31st Dec. There are some massive chancers around.....they probably have someone in every week offering to buy three cars to get a GT3.
at least the OPC can use the deposits to soften the blowav185 said:
Yes you are correct.
On the GT4 for sale and 'related' values thread......entirely relevant btw.
But not on any 'Wealthy person to whom money is no object has god given right to new GT3 simply by suddenly becoming an overnight enthusiast and ordering 3 new cars as leverage' thread.
I havent seen that thread! Have you got to get a LOI into God now to get the right to buy a GT3? I missed that.On the GT4 for sale and 'related' values thread......entirely relevant btw.
But not on any 'Wealthy person to whom money is no object has god given right to new GT3 simply by suddenly becoming an overnight enthusiast and ordering 3 new cars as leverage' thread.
Clearly he doesn't have a God given right and i don't think i suggested that.
The point i was making, is that the comment that anybody can order one and will get one is incorrect. Even if you throw money at OPC they still not able to give you a new one.
Edited by rkwm1 on Thursday 9th February 15:34
I didn't say anyone ordering one was sure to get one. I said if you have patience and stick to the order and continue following up over the production run, I think chances are good for getting a car in the end. The early cars/allocations will go to the 'favoured' customers who either make the OPC the most money and look likely to continue to do so or just are mates of the dealer principal. Given getting a car these days is like being given a free cheque (tax free) one can't really blame the dealerships for wanting to give cars to their best customers first. If the production run is long enough and I think the RS and gt3/4 have shown it's a decent chance it will be, people have a higher likelihood of getting cars than the current craze of fighting over cars seems to suggest imo.
av185 said:
Sounds like the worst type of customer Porsche could possibly sell a new GT3 to.
The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
Personally if they're that wealthy why not just buy one of the first ones to come on the used market? It would probably be cheaper paying over list that the hit you'd take on buying 3 new cooking Porsches. The mere fact that they have offered to buy 3/4 cars on condition they receive a GT3 speaks volumes.
These people have rightly been refused an allocation.
Hilarious.
rkwm1 said:
No, you can offer to buy loads of Porsches but you still cant get a GT3
If I was a dealer principal, I'd sell to my best customers, its business logic but I'd also ask my sales people who their favourite customers were that wanted a GT3.Good customers who are polite, well mannered and are a loyal fan of the brand. Perhaps a good customer who missed out last time too? Those that have a dim view on the situation probably, in most cases, don't qualify.
I know who I'd sell one to.
I feel it's time the OPCs should consider the REAL enthusiasts FOR A CHANGE who have
Never been fortunate on previous allocations despite having loi in for years
Hard working guys who are not millionaires
Of course they must have buying / service history and promise not to flip
but we all know the dealers will supply the super wealthy again,some who I know will flip AGAIN the others will park them alongside the rest of their collection ,
Again leaving the guy I've mentioned (me) without
Never been fortunate on previous allocations despite having loi in for years
Hard working guys who are not millionaires
Of course they must have buying / service history and promise not to flip
but we all know the dealers will supply the super wealthy again,some who I know will flip AGAIN the others will park them alongside the rest of their collection ,
Again leaving the guy I've mentioned (me) without
isaldiri said:
I didn't say anyone ordering one was sure to get one. I said if you have patience and stick to the order and continue following up over the production run, I think chances are good for getting a car in the end. The early cars/allocations will go to the 'favoured' customers who either make the OPC the most money and look likely to continue to do so or just are mates of the dealer principal. Given getting a car these days is like being given a free cheque (tax free) one can't really blame the dealerships for wanting to give cars to their best customers first. If the production run is long enough and I think the RS and gt3/4 have shown it's a decent chance it will be, people have a higher likelihood of getting cars than the current craze of fighting over cars seems to suggest imo.
No, Jeweller70 said that he was in Dubai and was told they will take orders from anybody.Fokker said:
If I was a dealer principal, I'd sell to my best customers, its business logic but I'd also ask my sales people who their favourite customers were that wanted a GT3.
Good customers who are polite, well mannered and are a loyal fan of the brand. Perhaps a good customer who missed out last time too? Those that have a dim view on the situation probably, in most cases, don't qualify.
I know who I'd sell one to.
I'd agree, i think thats the way it should be done.Good customers who are polite, well mannered and are a loyal fan of the brand. Perhaps a good customer who missed out last time too? Those that have a dim view on the situation probably, in most cases, don't qualify.
I know who I'd sell one to.
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