What are the chances that a GT4RS will be launched at Geneva

What are the chances that a GT4RS will be launched at Geneva

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gtsralph

1,186 posts

143 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Twinfan said:
I'd love to put the 3.8 Powerkit engine in my CGTS actually, that would be awesome.
This from Ehresmann would be pretty good!
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Porsche 981 S & GTS - STAGE 3 - 385 PS / 415 NM
Once again we finalized together with our partners MTO engineering and Auto Technik Lienert an exciting project.
The result is something to be proud of:
385 PS (+ 70 PS)
415 NM (+ 55 NM)
The customer got the follwoing parts:
Stage 3 individual ecu tune
Our customer flasher
IPD competition plenum
82 mm throttlebody
BMC air filter
M & M Full exhaust sytsten with flaps and optional replaceable exhaust pipes (to reduce the noise for track usage)
M & M exhaust headers with 200 cell cat's
PAGID RSL 1 brake pads
991 GT 3 brake ventilation
H & R adjustable swaybars

Jens has tuning packs for the GT4 for up to 430PS today so it is possible to get more performance out of the 3.8 without internal modifications. He installed a 3.8L PowerKit engine in his 981S PDK Boxster back in December 2014 and it produced around 450PS in final form. When mine was being tuned the intake side changes of IPD plenum and BMC filter (the 991 engine already had the 82mm throttle body) made it stronger at the top end.

He is working on a 4.0L install for his GT4 Rennwagen and looking for >500PS

Lots of potential for a livelier GT4 engine without the PowerKit so my bet is that tuning and another 200 top end revs will get 415PS out of the existing 3.8L for the 982 GT4.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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We now know the answer to this question - zero chance, sad;y.

Cabsi

259 posts

138 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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But it seems the GT4 will be 6 cylinders...

Upnorthgt3

605 posts

142 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PhantomPH said:
We now know the answer to this question - zero chance, sad;y.
What have I missed?

n17ves

591 posts

177 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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n17ves said:
100% zero!
readit

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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On the engine for the next GT4 AP is quoted as saying that the engine won't be a turbo 4. I am surprised but he's never been known to be wrong......or misleading......or has he?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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BubblesNW said:
On the engine for the next GT4 AP is quoted as saying that the engine won't be a turbo 4. I am surprised but he's never been known to be wrong......or misleading......or has he?
most of the time, he said the PDK would not fit in a GT4 then the CS car came out a few months later with PDK !.

He also said the x51 GTS engine wont fit, but after market people have fitted it !

He said the GT3 needs PDK and RWS etc to all work together and the GT3 was not going to be manual again at the 991 launch as they are after times, Now you can order at some point a slower manual with RWS !

He said a light weight fly wheel don't work, but the RSR has one with this engine.

There is loads of room for a new GT4 though now, It is 385 bhp and the GT3 is 500 ! Thing is it wont get a GT3 engine imo as a GT3 costs £110k (they cannot bring out a £95k GT4) so the only engine left is the older GTS unit.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Porsche911R said:
There is loads of room for a new GT4 though now, It is 385 bhp and the GT3 is 500 ! Thing is it wont get a GT3 engine imo as a GT3 costs £110k (they cannot bring out a £95k GT4) so the only engine left is the older GTS unit.
Agreed, and with the X51 kit it will out-power a 718 GTS 4-pot turbo. The older engine may still be in production (just about!) to support the Clubsport cars so it may be possible.

However, a 6-pot would completely screw up the 718 (4-pot) branding so it would probably be badged just as a GT4. Possible, but then it wouldn't sit nicely in their respective range like all other Porsche sports cars do.

With the new GT3 out now, the GT2 on the way and a 991.2 GT3-RS likely surely it'll be at least 2 years until we would see another GT4? By that point I'm guessing the Clubsport will be out of production and so would the old engine.

I'm inclined to thing that AP would like to do another GT4 with a 6-pot in the future but he may be "told" otherwise. I think from a marketing and sales point of view the 6-pot will be a 911 exclusive.

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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I reckon we'll see either a 3.8 GT3 type engine in the next GT4 or a power kit 3.8 from the GTS depending on whether its still in production..
Who's to say that they aren't developing a new engine or a development of the current 4 lire but with reduced capacity and power for it now?

There is no way in my opinion that they'll be turbo-ing it. A GT car needs to be responsive.


Ekona

1,652 posts

201 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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The GT2 would question that. wink

Personally I'd quite like to see a proper motorsports 4-pot, let's see exactly how good they can make it.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Fokker said:
There is no way in my opinion that they'll be turbo-ing it. A GT car needs to be responsive.
GT4 could be seen as a baby GT2.....

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Upnorthgt3 said:
PhantomPH said:
We now know the answer to this question - zero chance, sad;y.
What have I missed?
As per thread title, no GT4RS announced at Geneva.

Upnorthgt3

605 posts

142 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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ahhhh - its that simple is it............

I thought the whole idea was a dead duck

I'll get my coat

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Probably because the "do we look like four pot guys" comment was made in a casual discussion; it was nothing official, plus AP often makes statements that don't turn out accurate. I happen to think the next GT4, if there is one, will be a F6 still (detuned 4.0lt, 430bhp).

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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He's a clever guy, no doubt, but ultimately he has to follow what Porsche dictate. The comment about 4 pot guys is flippant at best; it cannot be taken as read and therefore fact.

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Not ignoring it, like I say, I hope the next GT4 is F6 as suggested, but I won't believe it until it happens based upon a quote where they jest about not being F4T guys; lots can change in the next few years.

AP had said that a PDK wouldn't fit the GT4, but it does (cup car), and that the x51 engine won't fit (it does - he should know this). At the 991.1 launch he said there wouldn't be a manual GT3 again, which clearly isn't the case - the point being that things change, the tech changed to allow it, the funding changed to justify it.

Edited by mdianuk on Wednesday 8th March 14:36

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Already posted them, but in any case, I hope he's right and not just throwing everyone off the scent. 4.0 F6, yes please...and yes, I know you are a journo.

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Taking the chip off your shoulder for a second, this isn't about ignoring the obvious though; you've just conceded that he talks bullsh*t sometimes (after I gave some examples), and their views on the four pot could change within a few years, but don't believe this will be with the case on the next GT4 because it must already be in development (if it is going to happen), without any statement of fact that it is. Now I know for sure you are a journalist!

Anyway, enough debating, hope the GT4 F6 happens, hell, I hope a GT4RS F6 full fat 4.0lt 500bhp happens, but until there is an official announcement, all we can do is speculate based upon what Porsche have said/hinted at.

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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anonymous said:
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Nope, why should it, ultimately we both agree that the next GT4 should be a F6 based upon what has been said so far, but until it is official, AP's comments should be taken as just that, general remarks in conversation with his personal/team views, not Porsche as a group or financier!

Back on topic, GT4RS doesn't seem to be happening just yet; all discussion stemmed from either an overzealous dealer in Aus, or one seeking attention; shame really, but it would be too soon and out of formation with model range roll-outs.

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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mdianuk said:
Nope, why should it, ultimately we both agree that the next GT4 should be a F6 based upon what has been said so far, but until it is official, AP's comments should be taken as just that, general remarks in conversation with his personal/team views, not Porsche as a group or financier!

Back on topic, GT4RS doesn't seem to be happening just yet; all discussion stemmed from either an overzealous dealer in Aus, or one seeking attention; shame really, but it would be too soon and out of formation with model range roll-outs.
Not official but pretty conclusive to me...

Speaking at the Geneva Motor Show, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume confirmed that there was no way back for the company’s fabled naturally aspirated boxer engines and that the company’s engineers were focussed on turbocharging for its range of sports cars. However, Blume confirmed that Porsche’s engineers will continue to develop a naturally aspirated engine for the GT3 and GT3 RS for as long as it can meet with emissions legislation. The next generation of Cayman GT4 will also continue to shun forced induction in favour of a naturally aspirated flat-six engine.