Opinions on this Hartech car - 997.1 c2s manual

Opinions on this Hartech car - 997.1 c2s manual

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87 posts

186 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Am sure some have spotted it on the ads.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
£33k
49k on the clock - Hartech rebuild done at 45k
It's mental orange biggrin
Manual

Top spec sheet:

• Sport seats
• Sports exhaust
• Sport Chrono plus
• Cruise control
• Heated seats
• PCM 2 navigation
• BOSE sound system
• PASM Porsche active suspension
• Park assist
• Centre console in body colour
• Bi xenon headlamps
• Headlamp washers
• Top tinted windscreen
• 19 inch Carrera wheels with colour crests
• Air conditioning auto climate
• On board computer
• Telephone module
• Silver instruments
• Home lights
• CD store

Walk around vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFkBWLYtfs&fe...

Looks in superb condition.

Is that a realistic price for a lairy 911 with a Hartech safety net?

Shaoxter

4,048 posts

123 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Nice, Hartech rebuilt + very rare colour + great spec = big premium.

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186 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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anonymous said:
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Spoke to them & they were adamant it was the full six, not just the one. Also had preventative IMS upgrade.

Anything else to specifically make a note of?

Typically this will be the first one I've gone to see... I ended up buying the first M3 I saw as well, although that ended up fine biggrin

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Monday 27th February 2017
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anonymous said:
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Much appreciated

MrC986

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190 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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If the cars been Hartech'd, see if the selling dealer has a copy of the invoice for the rebuild as that's the easiest proof of what's been done. Hartech will have a chat with you I'm sure as there can't be that many orange 997s they see! you can also put the car on their maintenance scheme if you're relatively local on a monthly payment schedule.. FWIW, my experience of PCT has only been positive when they were affiliated to Autobahn, though the PCT guys ultimately took over the sales side as well - I had my first 996 from Autobahn & PCT serviced it.

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Monday 27th February 2017
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MrC986 said:
If the cars been Hartech'd, see if the selling dealer has a copy of the invoice for the rebuild as that's the easiest proof of what's been done. Hartech will have a chat with you I'm sure as there can't be that many orange 997s they see! you can also put the car on their maintenance scheme if you're relatively local on a monthly payment schedule.. FWIW, my experience of PCT has only been positive when they were affiliated to Autobahn, though the PCT guys ultimately took over the sales side as well - I had my first 996 from Autobahn & PCT serviced it.
That would be my first port of call after a test drive.

Out of interest, anyone have any reference for how much these would usually go for? Post Hartech, maybe not the same paint scheme, but an '07 Gen1 c2s with ~50k on the clock?

Just thinking bargaining position etc. Although I'm sure they'll have a few enquiries.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Looks seriously overpriced to me. You could get a 997.2 S for that money. Nothing special about it.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Dissolved said:
MrC986 said:
If the cars been Hartech'd, see if the selling dealer has a copy of the invoice for the rebuild as that's the easiest proof of what's been done. Hartech will have a chat with you I'm sure as there can't be that many orange 997s they see! you can also put the car on their maintenance scheme if you're relatively local on a monthly payment schedule.. FWIW, my experience of PCT has only been positive when they were affiliated to Autobahn, though the PCT guys ultimately took over the sales side as well - I had my first 996 from Autobahn & PCT serviced it.
That would be my first port of call after a test drive.

Out of interest, anyone have any reference for how much these would usually go for? Post Hartech, maybe not the same paint scheme, but an '07 Gen1 c2s with ~50k on the clock?

Just thinking bargaining position etc. Although I'm sure they'll have a few enquiries.
Its probably one of only a handful of cars built in that colour. I've seen the car and it looks a million dollars in the flesh. Probably one of the nicest looking C2S out there IMO. Can't comment on asking price but seems a lot of car for the money when you see some of the tired looking 911s currently for sale in PH classifieds. I would certainly feel a little bit tango'd getting in and out of that every day though! I love the car personally.

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Monday 27th February 2017
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ORD said:
Looks seriously overpriced to me. You could get a 997.2 S for that money. Nothing special about it.
There are zero 997.2 s cars on PH or AT after a quick glance at the price. Let alone with the spec. I'd genuinely happily take a Gen2 if they're out there but I'm not sure if the market has shifted or what. Only 3.6 cars with poverty spec & middling miles anywhere near £35k.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Even then, the Gen 2 3.6 is the better car and is much younger. Time matters as well miles.

ORD

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126 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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I think that's the point - there are still Gen 2 cars that won't need much work, if any, to drive well if you keep them for a few years. Must be rare for that to be the case with a 10 year-old Gen 1.

I'm thinking about whether to spend £5k on my 997.2 S next year or buy another one with fewer miles or that has had work done. These cars aren't cheap once they start to need work.

Bikeracer1098

510 posts

187 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Dissolved said:
MrC986 said:
If the cars been Hartech'd, see if the selling dealer has a copy of the invoice for the rebuild as that's the easiest proof of what's been done. Hartech will have a chat with you I'm sure as there can't be that many orange 997s they see! you can also put the car on their maintenance scheme if you're relatively local on a monthly payment schedule.. FWIW, my experience of PCT has only been positive when they were affiliated to Autobahn, though the PCT guys ultimately took over the sales side as well - I had my first 996 from Autobahn & PCT serviced it.
That would be my first port of call after a test drive.

Out of interest, anyone have any reference for how much these would usually go for? Post Hartech, maybe not the same paint scheme, but an '07 Gen1 c2s with ~50k on the clock?

Just thinking bargaining position etc. Although I'm sure they'll have a few enquiries.
I know someone who recently bought a 2007 C2S in Balsalt Black with similar spec to the orange car, 51k mikes with FSH and full Harlech rebuild 6months ago. Bought private,y for £22,950

Neatly bought the car myself as a daily driver

Bikeracer1098

510 posts

187 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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OPC Bristol recently sold a mint guards red 997.1 C2S fully loaded with less miles than the orange cat, 2 year OPC warranty for just under £30k

Make the orange car seem rather expensive.

At this price point I would pay a few grand extra for a 997.2, come resale time the 997.2 will loose far less money.


ooid

4,049 posts

99 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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That's a very unique colour for that price! rolleyes


MrJingles705

409 posts

142 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Personally I love that colour.... although probably would go better on an Elise/Exige then a 'standard' C2S?

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Monday 27th February 2017
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Bikeracer1098 said:
I know someone who recently bought a 2007 C2S in Balsalt Black with similar spec to the orange car, 51k mikes with FSH and full Harlech rebuild 6months ago. Bought private,y for £22,950

Neatly bought the car myself as a daily driver
Blimey. That the genuine value for these or is that one very fortunate purchase?

Any other Hartech sale prices out there to reference?

Bikeracer1098

510 posts

187 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Dissolved said:
Bikeracer1098 said:
I know someone who recently bought a 2007 C2S in Balsalt Black with similar spec to the orange car, 51k mikes with FSH and full Harlech rebuild 6months ago. Bought private,y for £22,950

Neatly bought the car myself as a daily driver
Blimey. That the genuine value for these or is that one very fortunate purchase?

Any other Hartech sale prices out there to reference?
Don't think it increases the value of the car, just makes them easier to sell.

The guy selling the C2S above paid around £30k for the car 2years ago and then spent £7k on a Harlech rebuild.

I've got a 997.2 turbo but also tempted by a 997 C2S as a daily driver to replace my BMW M3.

Personally would not pay any more than £26k for a 997.1 C2S, however it's all personal choice.

Bikeracer1098

510 posts

187 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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MrJingles705 said:
Personally I love that colour.... although probably would go better on an Elise/Exige then a 'standard' C2S?
Would look fantastic with a ducktail and Fuchs wheels like the sport classic.

Would also look great with a GT3 body kit.

MrJingles705

409 posts

142 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Bikeracer1098 said:
Would look fantastic with a ducktail and Fuchs wheels like the sport classic.

Would also look great with a GT3 body kit.
^ This.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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If the gen 1 engines weren't known to be a bit crap, this car would be seriously overpriced. I don't see how a repaired engine adds value myself
I'd rather my money went into buying a newer car that would hold value better than one that had been well fixed
I don't think there is much performance between 345BHP Gen 1 S and 355BHP Gen 2 3.6
Surely something like this makes more sense & these will hold value better in the short, medium and long term in my opinion

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Or this

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...


Edited by jakesmith on Tuesday 28th February 13:39