Replacement Engines fitted by Porsche - what engine?
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I've been viewing a lot of porsche adds recently, mostly of the 996/997 flavour. Many of them state that they've had a replacement engine fitted by Porsche. My main question is, which engine will it be? Considering the generation 2 engines came out in late 2008, if a 996 had a replacement engine in 2012, would it be the newer type engines? or do they have stocks of 'old' engines from the 996 era which they just dump in and hence still have the inherent design faults?
I asked Porsche GB about this as I had a replacement engine from Porsche fitted to my 986S after an IMS failure in 2009 and wanted to know if the "new" replacement engine had the same IMS design as the original or the uprated design fitted from 2007. Porsche GB spoke to Porsche in Germany and were told that it was normal practice at the time my replacement engine was built (2007 according to the build certificate supplied) to fit the uprated design of IMS to replacement engines, although they couldn't categorically say my new engine had the latest IMS design. My car was out of warranty when the IMS failed so I had to pay for the new engine (the failed engine was too badly damaged to repair). Whether it makes a difference if the engine is replaced under warranty or not I do not know. In every other respect the new engine is the same as the original as far as I can tell.
As for 996 and 997 engines that are prone to other failure modes such as bore scoring, I do not know if the replacement engines have any other improvements. I somehow doubt it though.
As for 996 and 997 engines that are prone to other failure modes such as bore scoring, I do not know if the replacement engines have any other improvements. I somehow doubt it though.
Well i guess it was more around would they fit a 997 gen 2 engine considering the engines in the 996/997.1 will have been out of production cars for 4/5 years at that point, so a new engine would be from which? Seems strange they'd have the ability to make a 996 engine and more likely they'd fit a new version in but i've never seen an ad mention this?
Ah ok. Just seemed strange that they'd even be able to still manufacture those engines to be able to replace them?
I guess they'd more likely recondition and rebuild now, but if they couldn't then what? buy the car back at market value I'd probably guess at.
Anyway, least I got my answer, replacement engine from porsche are pointless so i'll avoid.
I guess they'd more likely recondition and rebuild now, but if they couldn't then what? buy the car back at market value I'd probably guess at.
Anyway, least I got my answer, replacement engine from porsche are pointless so i'll avoid.
majordad said:
What happens to the engine number on the V5 when the engine is replaced with a new engine from Porsche , who changes the details on the V5 and how ?
No-one. This is M96 engined cars we're talking about - no-one is checking if it is "matching numbers". I bought a brand new 986, engine failed 8k miles in and replaced under warranty, no-one updated the paperwork to match. In all but the rarest cars these days the engine is just another part to be replaced when necessary.Order66 said:
majordad said:
What happens to the engine number on the V5 when the engine is replaced with a new engine from Porsche , who changes the details on the V5 and how ?
No-one. This is M96 engined cars we're talking about - no-one is checking if it is "matching numbers". I bought a brand new 986, engine failed 8k miles in and replaced under warranty, no-one updated the paperwork to match. In all but the rarest cars these days the engine is just another part to be replaced when necessary.Serial numbered parts on the V5 must be matching.
lewisf182 said:
Well i guess it was more around would they fit a 997 gen 2 engine considering the engines in the 996/997.1 will have been out of production cars for 4/5 years at that point, so a new engine would be from which? Seems strange they'd have the ability to make a 996 engine and more likely they'd fit a new version in but i've never seen an ad mention this?
For any mass production company, parts are maintained under service lines for at least 10 years (at low volume). After that you are down to depleting stock.It is a big, big change to change from one engine to another. It would have to have been developed - a 996 with a 997.2 DFI is a whole new fuel system on its own!
GroundEffect said:
lewisf182 said:
Well i guess it was more around would they fit a 997 gen 2 engine considering the engines in the 996/997.1 will have been out of production cars for 4/5 years at that point, so a new engine would be from which? Seems strange they'd have the ability to make a 996 engine and more likely they'd fit a new version in but i've never seen an ad mention this?
For any mass production company, parts are maintained under service lines for at least 10 years (at low volume). After that you are down to depleting stock.It is a big, big change to change from one engine to another. It would have to have been developed - a 996 with a 997.2 DFI is a whole new fuel system on its own!
Order66 said:
anonymous said:
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This is the reality - I'd wager 99%+ of cars that have had an engine swap have not had the V5 updated - this includes those done by an OPC.Anyway, I cleaned up the number (it's easy to get to from underneath, but gets very grubby), read it and made sure it was updated on the V5C when I registered the car to my customer. This was in about 2001 though, I believe that since then Porsche got their act together and started giving customers paperwork to send to DVLA when an engine was replaced.
lewisf182 said:
GroundEffect said:
lewisf182 said:
Well i guess it was more around would they fit a 997 gen 2 engine considering the engines in the 996/997.1 will have been out of production cars for 4/5 years at that point, so a new engine would be from which? Seems strange they'd have the ability to make a 996 engine and more likely they'd fit a new version in but i've never seen an ad mention this?
For any mass production company, parts are maintained under service lines for at least 10 years (at low volume). After that you are down to depleting stock.It is a big, big change to change from one engine to another. It would have to have been developed - a 996 with a 997.2 DFI is a whole new fuel system on its own!
GroundEffect said:
lewisf182 said:
GroundEffect said:
lewisf182 said:
Well i guess it was more around would they fit a 997 gen 2 engine considering the engines in the 996/997.1 will have been out of production cars for 4/5 years at that point, so a new engine would be from which? Seems strange they'd have the ability to make a 996 engine and more likely they'd fit a new version in but i've never seen an ad mention this?
For any mass production company, parts are maintained under service lines for at least 10 years (at low volume). After that you are down to depleting stock.It is a big, big change to change from one engine to another. It would have to have been developed - a 996 with a 997.2 DFI is a whole new fuel system on its own!
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