Michelin Pilot PS2 - discontinued?

[Jim1556]

Porsche911R said:

But you can buy the CUP2 new tyre in both the sizes !!!

No, you can't - he wanted 265/40/18 which aren't listed here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-S...

Hence why I suggested a slightly different profile...

S1MMA is ok as he wanted 235/35/19 & 305/30/19. Can't guarantee N spec though - I'm in Belgium at the mo and can't access Camskill's website.

[cslwannabe]

Thanks Slippydiff and Jim1556 - I've got a few options then rather than just buying another set of PS2.

[IknowJoseph]

So what's the best choice for 235/40R18, 285/30R18? PS2 is the best I can find, and they might be almost 20 years old, but so is my car. Lots of choice in the front, but not much for the rear.

[Slippydiff]

IknowJoseph said:

So what's the best choice for 235/40R18, 285/30R18? PS2 is the best I can find, and they might be almost 20 years old, but so is my car. Lots of choice in the front, but not much for the rear.

MPS Cup 2's

[lordlee]

Porsche911R said:

chriscoates81 said:

So is the ps4 an actual replacement to the ps2s? I need some new fronts on mine but then the rears would still be ps2s.

nope the PS4 is like a hot hatch tyre which replaced the PS3 which replaced the Pilot EXALTO 2

The PS4s is the replacement for the Supersport which was the replacement for the PS2, PS2 must be 20 years old !
Why people fit a PS2 is crazy.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 29th March 09:03

From Michelin - The Pilot Sport 4 builds on the success of the Pilot Super Sport, and also takes lessons Michelin have learnt as the sole tyre supplier for the Formula E series, meaning the new Pilot Sport 4 is once again more inline with the "Pilot Sport" ethos. Think of it as a brother to the Pilot Super Sport, and a cousin of the Pilot Sport 3.

[Crafty_]

^ Thats how I understand it, the PS4 isn't the replacement for the Super Sport and Michelin told me that there are no forthcoming plans to stop production of the super sport tyre.

Just to confuse things more, there is a Pilot Sport 4S but only in 19" and above, so not relevant here.

[lingus75]

S1MMA said:

I'm currently running PS2's, need N rated for warranty, 235 35 19 and 305 30 19.

I've been told that PS2's are now discontinued and a replacement is on the way. I can only hope it's PS4S but this isn't confirmed.

Has anyone else heard anything on this?

Same boat as you as my tyres I dont think will make it through next MOT at end of April. Oponeo have PS4S in the size we need, but would they be that much better than N Rated PS2's?

[Crafty_]

Don't know how much this helps you guys, some information about MPSS vs PS4S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65rXOlS2f8

Also, EVO tyre test, http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/the-best-tyres...
Don't know how many of those tyres are available in the correct sizes for the porsches.

[IknowJoseph]

Slippydiff said:

IknowJoseph said:

So what's the best choice for 235/40R18, 285/30R18? PS2 is the best I can find, and they might be almost 20 years old, but so is my car. Lots of choice in the front, but not much for the rear.

MPS Cup 2's

Thanks, but not seen these in the rear sizes I'd need.

[edc]

Cup2 is a great tyre but for most road drivers is overkill. Not only that, you compromise the useability of the car in Winter, the tyre costs a lot but you get less tread depth by some 35% compared to say a PS2 or PSS. I've got some Cup2's on

[S1MMA]

lingus75 said:

Same boat as you as my tyres I dont think will make it through next MOT at end of April. Oponeo have PS4S in the size we need, but would they be that much better than N Rated PS2's?

If you don't have OPC warranty then yes PS4S every day of the week.

I have gone for Cup 2, I'm not compromising on PS2 any more. I don't track much but PS2 is so old now it's a joke to use them.

I doubt PS4S will be N rated in 997 GT3 sizes anytime soon, so I'll just use Cup 2 till warranty expires. I'd have 2 sets of wheels if I had a garage!

Demon you are right that using PS2 is a joke, but Cup 2 for a road only car is a bit much, and those of us with warranty need N rated. What experience do you have in the cold and wet on cup 2 in your GT4, how do they handle it?

[NJH]

The improvements are not so much outright dry grip as wet grip, cold performance and stability, not just my experience going from PS2 to PS4 on non-pork but as explained in the graphics in Michelins media material.

[Porsche911R]

I think the wet performance out weighs any extra dry grip 20x over new tyres are amazing imo, more feel , better turn in and wet grip, also lighter so no need to spend £7k on pccb ;-)

[lingus75]

I was under the impression that N rated tyres had stiffer sidewalls because of 911's being rear engined, correct?

So, given the choice of both PS2 and PS4S, I probably wouldn't notice the difference in either, but as its a newer tyre the PS4S would be the choice.

[Slippydiff]

IknowJoseph said:

Slippydiff said:

IknowJoseph said:

So what's the best choice for 235/40R18, 285/30R18? PS2 is the best I can find, and they might be almost 20 years old, but so is my car. Lots of choice in the front, but not much for the rear.

MPS Cup 2's

Thanks, but not seen these in the rear sizes I'd need.

Both sizes are listed on Tireracks website, both are manufactured in France, however new stocks of the rears aren't available until May. The fronts are available from Pneus online :

https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/mic...

I'd get onto Michelin UK and see if they can confirm the date for the availability of the rears.

[isaldiri]

anonymous said:

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Possibly not relevant given the car is obviously very different but if the PS2 to new modern tyre (say Supersport or PS4S) difference on the standard tyres as it was for the CGT tyres going from PS2 to Supersport, I can assure you that it is night and day between them and not a single CGT owner with his head screwed on the right way would ever choose to go back to the older tyre.

[isaldiri]

anonymous said:

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While I agree higher performance in a tyre does not necessarily equate to a more enjoyable driving experience, it's not quite as clearcut as in a car imo. Personally I've never changed to a newer model tyre and not thought it was a better tyre for the car than one it replaced.

[S1MMA]

anonymous said:

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Couple of things here. if we are taking about cooking models with road only use, then yes having the newer tyres will give wet performance benefits and braking benefits all around, but just having much higher ultimate dry grip levels doesn't do much for the driving experience IMO.

For GT cars it's a bit different. On the 997.1 they are designed for cups, but anyone that used original cups will know they lasted 5 minutes and were lethal in the wet. The only choice I had was cups or ps2 and as mine is mostly road use I went for ps2 (n rated for warranty). This is annoying when you take the car on track occasionally, because you are only using say 70% or so of the performance available for dry cornering grip. Something like a PS4S would be perfect for me, handle road use well and still good when occasionally used on track. PS2 falls to pieces on track, cup 2 a bit much on the road, so the middle ground is perfect!

Shame they just don't N rate them quick enough for those of us in warranty. It's great you can have warranty till 15 years, but they can't give us a modern tyre choice to go with it!

[Big E 118]

I had Cup 2's on my GTS and found them very good for road and track and pretty good in the wet to a point. They do not deal with standing water well but wet/damp roads they were fine.

I now have PS4S's and although I haven't tried them on track yet they seem to have the same level of dry grip as the Cup 2's, haven't tried them in the wet yet.

[lingus75]

So, silly question time.... does it make any difference where the ps4s is made? I was told some are made in Poland, some in France. Does it matter?