How many owners is too many?

How many owners is too many?

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hoegaardenruls

1,218 posts

132 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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I'd also weigh up the number of owners against how long you intend to keep the car as well - previous owners doesn't bother me too much as I tend to keep the car longer than average

The last car I sold privately had 3-4 owners quite quickly, then I owned it nearly seven years and that was one of the things the buyer liked - that and the stack of receipts..

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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W12GT said:
Thanks for this all of your replies! I am so tempted. It's a manual car but the first owner went for performance options over luxury including PCCB, torque vectoring, PASM, sports chrono plus and sports exhaust......
Think I spotted this car earlier when browsing, looks epic, would be what I would get if I was after a 991 rather than a 997 GTS. Get it bought, ignore number of owners, it's irrelevant.

stacy.chandler77

15 posts

85 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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One careless owner is too many! There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche either.

They are high maintenance cars that one owner can disregard the costs of servicing basic items which leads to future bigger issues.

It's best to be th first owner rather than to second?

Boxstercol

200 posts

133 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Lots of owners put me off some cars when I was looking around for my first Porsche, I'm sure because of this I missed out on some great cars.

The Boxster that I now own is a 2005 car with 5 previous owners which I've had for the last 4 years. When I found this car the number of owners was not a problem as there was history to suggest that each time it changed hands it was sold through the official network & had the 111 point check & a new warranty. Anything that needed doing was done & the car had always been under warranty, including under my ownership.

This was a change of mindset for me, as I had always previously subscribed to the 'low number of owners is better'. For something like a Porsche, chances are that alot of change of owners early on is within the official network & therefore the cars are always warrantied.

My brother bought a 60k mile, 2001 Boxster with one owner from new & a full history. 6 weeks later his engine failed due to a spark plug letting go. I reckon that the previous owner of that car started doing alot of things on a budget which ensured it emptied my brothers wallet.

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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stacy.chandler77 said:
One careless owner is too many! There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche either.

They are high maintenance cars that one owner can disregard the costs of servicing basic items which leads to future bigger issues.

It's best to be th first owner rather than to second?
Agreed ref if there was a careless/cheap owner, but this car would be covered by Porsche warranty, so in this case it's a non issue.

W12GT

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3,525 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Just found out it's the car used by Evo for their write up back in 2012. Turns out it was a silverstone car. Hmmm..... I wonder why the dealer didn't mention that!

Edited by W12GT on Thursday 30th March 20:28

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Who cares?! It's still a monster spec bargain with 2 years warranty. Somebody get it bought asap please!

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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Mario149 said:
Who cares?! It's still a monster spec bargain with 2 years warranty. Somebody get it bought asap please!
Surely only 'good advice' if you are planning on getting out if it within those 2 years. For me, that car has had a HARD life and I would not be convinced that at 2 years and 1 day it wasn't going to provide me with a HUGE bill that's not covered by anything at all.

There are countless threads on here about the diminishing cover of warranties, so by this stage I would imagine even the 2 years warranty will not cover 'wear and tear' items like shocks etc.

You never know - but if it was me and buying with my own hard earned, I would carry on shopping.

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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PhantomPH said:
Mario149 said:
Who cares?! It's still a monster spec bargain with 2 years warranty. Somebody get it bought asap please!
Surely only 'good advice' if you are planning on getting out if it within those 2 years. For me, that car has had a HARD life and I would not be convinced that at 2 years and 1 day it wasn't going to provide me with a HUGE bill that's not covered by anything at all.

There are countless threads on here about the diminishing cover of warranties, so by this stage I would imagine even the 2 years warranty will not cover 'wear and tear' items like shocks etc.

You never know - but if it was me and buying with my own hard earned, I would carry on shopping.
What huge bill not covered by an extended warranty do you think it might generate? All the major stuff (engine, gearbox etc) is going to be covered. And an independent inspection could be had for extra peace of mind. I think the price of the car considering its spec reflects all that. And you can extend the warranty, it may not cover quite as much as before, but it's still pretty good IMO. If someone was that worried then they could sit down with the OPC in question and hammer out exactly what the car had been used for, what items would/would not be considered wear and tear in the event of a warranty claim etc etc. You could even ask to drive two similar cars back to back to make sure it still felt right.

I think there's an argument that at least this car is honest. It's probably been TLCed to within an inch of its life by Porsche if it was a demo-type car. Other cars are far less transparent and a few stamps in a service book (or not if it's less than 2 years old) are reasonably meaningless.

We're all different, but if it was me I'd take a punt. And maybe get the OPC to throw in a few retrofit options to sweeten the deal, the sort of thing that costs them peanuts to fit but would be silly money to the buyer (e.g. cruise control, but not for this car as it has it already clearly)

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

217 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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SV_WDC said:
Think the 911UK buyer's guide quotes the average Porsche ownership to be 18months
Are they really that bad ? wink

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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Atomic12C said:
SV_WDC said:
Think the 911UK buyer's guide quotes the average Porsche ownership to be 18months
Are they really that bad ? wink
Terrible, don't buy one. If you have a GT3 allocation I'll do you a favour and take it off you to save you the hassle biggrin

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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Mario149 said:
PhantomPH said:
Mario149 said:
Who cares?! It's still a monster spec bargain with 2 years warranty. Somebody get it bought asap please!
Surely only 'good advice' if you are planning on getting out if it within those 2 years. For me, that car has had a HARD life and I would not be convinced that at 2 years and 1 day it wasn't going to provide me with a HUGE bill that's not covered by anything at all.

There are countless threads on here about the diminishing cover of warranties, so by this stage I would imagine even the 2 years warranty will not cover 'wear and tear' items like shocks etc.

You never know - but if it was me and buying with my own hard earned, I would carry on shopping.
What huge bill not covered by an extended warranty do you think it might generate? All the major stuff (engine, gearbox etc) is going to be covered. And an independent inspection could be had for extra peace of mind. I think the price of the car considering its spec reflects all that. And you can extend the warranty, it may not cover quite as much as before, but it's still pretty good IMO. If someone was that worried then they could sit down with the OPC in question and hammer out exactly what the car had been used for, what items would/would not be considered wear and tear in the event of a warranty claim etc etc. You could even ask to drive two similar cars back to back to make sure it still felt right.

I think there's an argument that at least this car is honest. It's probably been TLCed to within an inch of its life by Porsche if it was a demo-type car. Other cars are far less transparent and a few stamps in a service book (or not if it's less than 2 years old) are reasonably meaningless.

We're all different, but if it was me I'd take a punt. And maybe get the OPC to throw in a few retrofit options to sweeten the deal, the sort of thing that costs them peanuts to fit but would be silly money to the buyer (e.g. cruise control, but not for this car as it has it already clearly)
Don't get me wrong, I can see exactly what you're saying (and even had the \TLC' conversation with a colleague after I posted), but for me a 'huge bill' could be worn suspension components and excessive wear on the braking components to name but two. Neither of those would be covered by a warranty on a 5-7 year old car. and if it's been a media car (it has) and a PEC car (it has), those components will have had a hell of a life.

Absolutely this car is right for someone - just saying it wouldn't be for me.

Same as I wouldn't marry a porn star. Sure, she is in good nick with nothing really wrong on the surface, but...well...no.


Adam B

27,244 posts

254 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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Mario149 said:
Think I spotted this car earlier when browsing, looks epic, would be what I would get if I was after a 991 rather than a 997 GTS. Get it bought, ignore number of owners, it's irrelevant.
link?

W12GT

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3,525 posts

221 months

Adam B

27,244 posts

254 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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W12GT said:
links to porsche site never work for some reason - which OPC and price?

W12GT

Original Poster:

3,525 posts

221 months

Saturday 1st April 2017
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It's the red one up as just under 52k

W12GT

Original Poster:

3,525 posts

221 months

Saturday 1st April 2017
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PhantomPH said:
Same as I wouldn't marry a porn star. Sure, she is in good nick with nothing really wrong on the surface, but...well...no.
I wouldn't marry one either.... but wouldn't mind having a fling with one.......

Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Saturday 1st April 2017
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W12GT said:
It's the red one up as just under 52k
Link that works: http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...

chriscoates81

482 posts

132 months

Sunday 2nd April 2017
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Does seem quite well specked (I'm not up to-date on which if any of those are standard features) maybe previous owners wanted an s instead of a base carrera.

W12GT

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3,525 posts

221 months

Sunday 2nd April 2017
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It's a bit odd. I've phoned up about another approved 991 and browsing PH I've found that too was a Porsche car used as a courtesy car!

Yet again the dealer didn't mention this!