Importing & type approval
Discussion
sleep envy said:
I've just done the same with a German LHD 993, same situation with the headlights, MOT'd fine. To an earlier question, I did however need to provide documentation stating that it had been done (along with changing the rear foglight, etc.)
My last 993 had rear fog lamps both sides, is this not the case with German spec cars??
Err, do you know, I don't actually know. Certainly the documentation says "rear foglight changed to offside", however, given that it also says "repeaters fitted" and I know they were already there, it may just be that its a sort of standard form for the documentation.
I'll look at the foglights next time I get it out and find out.
sleep envy said:German cars must have one fog and one reversing light; their orientation is opposite to UK positions.
I've just done the same with a German LHD 993, same situation with the headlights, MOT'd fine. To an earlier question, I did however need to provide documentation stating that it had been done (along with changing the rear foglight, etc.)
My last 993 had rear fog lamps both sides, is this not the case with German spec cars??
flemke said:
I've just done the same with a German LHD 993, same situation with the headlights, MOT'd fine. To an earlier question, I did however need to provide documentation stating that it had been done (along with changing the rear foglight, etc.)
My last 993 had rear fog lamps both sides, is this not the case with German spec cars??
I understand that for LHD and RHD there will be differences but the 993 (C2) I had previously had a pair of fog lights and a pair of reversing lights.
I can understand if the RS only has one of each to save on weight, all of about 25 grams
S'pose I'll have to wait until Saturday to find out...
FWIW, domestic 993s also have two rear fog and two reversing lights. I *think* all did bar the North American market cars, which did without either rear fog light.
Flemke, I think what we've discovered here today is what you or I get told we need isn't necessailly what the next guy will be told. Judging from the number of imported cars I've seen with KMH speedos I'd say it would have been possible to get away without even doing any of it, if getting away with things was my (or your) bag. The bottom line is it's still a reasonably easy process to import a Euro-spec car to the UK. And long may it continue to be so.
Flemke, I think what we've discovered here today is what you or I get told we need isn't necessailly what the next guy will be told. Judging from the number of imported cars I've seen with KMH speedos I'd say it would have been possible to get away without even doing any of it, if getting away with things was my (or your) bag. The bottom line is it's still a reasonably easy process to import a Euro-spec car to the UK. And long may it continue to be so.
sleep envy, I'd offer to go collect it from Germany and deliver it to you UK registered, all above board, for £1k except I think I'd lose £500 on the deal, and that'd be before petrol. I don't know what the pros charge but I can't see them making even pin money if it's less than 2k, unless they leave the lights and dials as is. If you get a quote I'd be curious to know!
If I were you, I wouldn't do it to save money but I would to get the right car.
In terms of effort, it's only really a day to drive it home, half a day to to sort the paperwork and MOT, and half a day queueing at the dvla office.
>> Edited by elfer on Thursday 19th January 01:15
If I were you, I wouldn't do it to save money but I would to get the right car.
In terms of effort, it's only really a day to drive it home, half a day to to sort the paperwork and MOT, and half a day queueing at the dvla office.
>> Edited by elfer on Thursday 19th January 01:15
Elfer - cheers for the offer have only just seen this. Have already collected the car.
Seems like the Certificate of Conformity is more than 1 sheet of paper but actually lists all the work required to get it to meet UK regs. Was initially shocked at the £65 they charge for this but it has been explained to me what is required and that there's a bit of leg work back in Germany that needs to be done before it can be issued.
Aside from adjusting the headlights is there anything else that needs doing before I take it for an MOT?
Seems like the Certificate of Conformity is more than 1 sheet of paper but actually lists all the work required to get it to meet UK regs. Was initially shocked at the £65 they charge for this but it has been explained to me what is required and that there's a bit of leg work back in Germany that needs to be done before it can be issued.
Aside from adjusting the headlights is there anything else that needs doing before I take it for an MOT?
sleep envy said:Reversing/fog lights on correct sides?
Elfer - cheers for the offer have only just seen this. Have already collected the car.
Seems like the Certificate of Conformity is more than 1 sheet of paper but actually lists all the work required to get it to meet UK regs. Was initially shocked at the £65 they charge for this but it has been explained to me what is required and that there's a bit of leg work back in Germany that needs to be done before it can be issued.
Aside from adjusting the headlights is there anything else that needs doing before I take it for an MOT?
Just a thought chaps, if ur vehicle is over 10 years old, an rs or a proper GT2 SAY ,and u can proove it............either via the German Fahrzeuge letter or a Porsche service book.................then u pitch up at the local DVLA , WITH INSURANCE ON CHASSIS number , UK mot, German Vehicle letter , and vat declaration..............APPROPRIATE v FORM [SORRY FORGOTTEN NUMBER] AND U RECEIVE A TAX DISC AND REG NUMBER, SHORTLY FOLLOWED BY THE LOG BOOK IN THE POST ,Luton did it in 5 days last month and NO LETTERS OF CONFORMITY /DECLARIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE ,IN FACT U DONT EVEN NEED THE SPEEDO DONE FOR THE MOT!
sorry sleep envy, been away from base for a couple of weeks so missed your lastest post.
Nothing else needed for the MOT as far as I remember, rear belts, side repeaters and offside rear foglight all being fitted as standard. It's the DVLA people who'll normally want sight of receipts for RHD headlights and a MPH speedo if they're listed on the Certificate of Conformity as items different from UK spec. However, following agent oranges's post I looked at the dvla site and found "Vehicles over 10 years old are exempt from type approval...but will require a current MOT certificate". If this means you are excused having to produce the CofC let alone rectify anything on it then you could be quids in. The lights and speedo alone cost me £630.
Nothing else needed for the MOT as far as I remember, rear belts, side repeaters and offside rear foglight all being fitted as standard. It's the DVLA people who'll normally want sight of receipts for RHD headlights and a MPH speedo if they're listed on the Certificate of Conformity as items different from UK spec. However, following agent oranges's post I looked at the dvla site and found "Vehicles over 10 years old are exempt from type approval...but will require a current MOT certificate". If this means you are excused having to produce the CofC let alone rectify anything on it then you could be quids in. The lights and speedo alone cost me £630.
sleep envy said:
Crap, car was 1st registered June 1996
Although unlikely, is there any chance that it was 'produced' before then, but sat either in Porsche holding pen or in dealer's showroom until the registration date?
Do you know for a fact that the car's first registration was in Germany, rather than, for example, its having been registered in Austria six months earlier?
Also, in some jurisdictions with time limits that are expressed in years, they measure duration by the year only and disregard days. Otherwise you could argue that the regulation should specify '3652 days'. In the States, for example, many federal time limits don't calculate individual days.
I have just brought in a 1993 CS from Germany and it was a piece of cake to do. Brought it in on German owners plates. Shipped them back for the German paper work. Filled in the V450pack including VAT form. No Cof C required over 10 years old. MoT test depends on age of car. After 1992 the Cat is mandatory. The date of first registation in Germany is required for MOT. ClassicLine covered me on ViN no. from where I picked up the car. At Ring Racing at the Nurburgring so cover started immediately for my opening laps. ;O)
Lights needed taped and fog swapped because it was left only. Swapped LH lights with Norweigen for postage costs only.
Ask the nice man/lady for a good plate and they will tell you it will be the next onein the book. It was however exactly what I had asked for so must be a hell of a flexible book.
German paper work,MoT,Insurance, Cheque for tax and 48hours later your rolling.
I did not need Cof C, Travel docs, bill of sale or anything else.
Lights needed taped and fog swapped because it was left only. Swapped LH lights with Norweigen for postage costs only.
Ask the nice man/lady for a good plate and they will tell you it will be the next onein the book. It was however exactly what I had asked for so must be a hell of a flexible book.
German paper work,MoT,Insurance, Cheque for tax and 48hours later your rolling.
I did not need Cof C, Travel docs, bill of sale or anything else.
flemke said:
Crap, car was 1st registered June 1996
Although unlikely, is there any chance that it was 'produced' before then, but sat either in Porsche holding pen or in dealer's showroom until the registration date?
Do you know for a fact that the car's first registration was in Germany, rather than, for example, its having been registered in Austria six months earlier?
That's what I'm hoping for - I've got the original registration document from the 1st owner in Switzerland showing it hit the road on 1st June 1996.
Hopefully the certificate of conformity will show build date *which* may be more helpful. :crossesfingers:
chfs911 said:
Ask the nice man/lady for a good plate and they will tell you it will be the next one in the book. It was however exactly what I had asked for so must be a hell of a flexible book.
Just to add another degree of needelss complexity I've got my own reg to put on it.
Wouldn't mind a car related one if they let me have it... :thinkingcapon:I had a UK reg on retention and handed over the certificate with the rest of the paperwork, wasn't a problem.
Bad news about the age. You could always put off registering it for 5 months and trailer it to track days in the meantime...
That said, if I were registering a 10+ year old I'd still change the headlights. There's quite a reduction in how far you can see at night with flattened off LHD beams. It was having to change the speedo which really annoyed.
One last word of advice. If you're like me and uncomfortable with sending documents through the post, take a good book with you to the dvla office.
Bad news about the age. You could always put off registering it for 5 months and trailer it to track days in the meantime...
That said, if I were registering a 10+ year old I'd still change the headlights. There's quite a reduction in how far you can see at night with flattened off LHD beams. It was having to change the speedo which really annoyed.
One last word of advice. If you're like me and uncomfortable with sending documents through the post, take a good book with you to the dvla office.
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