The next classic?
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Assuming we are all agreed the 2.7rs, 964rs, 993rs and 993gt2's are all classics (which older ones have i missed?), will any 996's be viewed as classics in 10 years i wonder?
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway
, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics.
hmmmmm
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway
, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics. hmmmmm
Mk1 GT3
It is the only limited production/edition GT3. It was the first incarnation of the "GT3" moniker... Porsche's modern day equivalent of the RS brand in terms of race-bred technology for the road. First production car to break 8min 'Ring lap. The first road going Porsche car to have an engine based on that from the winning GT1 LM car of '97-'98. A true homologation car to allow Porsche to go race in the GT series. Considered by the world's press as one of the sweetest handling 911s of all time. It also had one of the most flowing and cohesive designs of the entire 996 series.
It is the only limited production/edition GT3. It was the first incarnation of the "GT3" moniker... Porsche's modern day equivalent of the RS brand in terms of race-bred technology for the road. First production car to break 8min 'Ring lap. The first road going Porsche car to have an engine based on that from the winning GT1 LM car of '97-'98. A true homologation car to allow Porsche to go race in the GT series. Considered by the world's press as one of the sweetest handling 911s of all time. It also had one of the most flowing and cohesive designs of the entire 996 series.
francisb said:
Assuming we are all agreed the 2.7rs, 964rs, 993rs and 993gt2's are all classics (which older ones have i missed?), will any 996's be viewed as classics in 10 years i wonder?
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics.
hmmmmm
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway
, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics. hmmmmm
Judging by the nuber of 996RS's that have been totalled recently, there wont be any left in 10 years..
The 996RS will never be called a classic, nor will the Mk2 GT3, but I suspect the Mk1 may be, in the same way as the 911CS is.
The enigma will be the GT2. The Mk1 was loathed and rightly so, universally regarded as a dog of a car. The improved Mk2 though...that will be interesting. I suspect that it's reputation will continue to drag it down to the pt where they become *the* mental performance bargain around and (being evenr rarer by then) suddenly become very a collectable classic.
The enigma will be the GT2. The Mk1 was loathed and rightly so, universally regarded as a dog of a car. The improved Mk2 though...that will be interesting. I suspect that it's reputation will continue to drag it down to the pt where they become *the* mental performance bargain around and (being evenr rarer by then) suddenly become very a collectable classic.
968cs in the right spec certainly has potential, but not special enough to be worth serious dosh...hard to see them above £20k...ever.
mk1 Gt3 maybe,,,,but Porsche made quite a few of these.
Personally I see the M003 NGT variants being sought after Cup cars either 964, 993 or 996 should be a good bet once they are of an age that makes them eligible for historic motorsport,,the only disadvantage is that they are not really suitable for the road, which is where the M003 scores a few more points.
Of the 996....I would think an unmodded Gt2 will be a stable investment, certainly don't see it ever getting near 993 Gt2 values though.
mk1 Gt3 maybe,,,,but Porsche made quite a few of these.
Personally I see the M003 NGT variants being sought after
Cup cars either 964, 993 or 996 should be a good bet once they are of an age that makes them eligible for historic motorsport,,the only disadvantage is that they are not really suitable for the road, which is where the M003 scores a few more points. Of the 996....I would think an unmodded Gt2 will be a stable investment, certainly don't see it ever getting near 993 Gt2 values though.
francisb said:
Harry Flashman said:
993TT
not while there's the 993rs or gt2 i don't think, they can all be classics
Edited by francisb on Monday 19th June 14:41
I realise that we're not really meant to be discussing 993s on this thread – but I would argue that the 993RS and GT2 are already classic (as prices show). That’s why I think that the TT is the next one to reach classic status…
domster said:
clubsport said:
Personally I see the M003 NGT variants being sought after
Did you buy the lovely green one that was up for sale? That was a solid investment for sure, and one lovely car. The best badgerwagon ever, arguably!
No not the green one, that is a fantastic car, but I would be afraid to use it...already a good investment, I saw it (the green one) for sale in a 2003 issue of 911 pork world for just under £40K,,,better than money in the bank
Harry Flashman said:
francisb said:
Harry Flashman said:
993TT
not while there's the 993rs or gt2 i don't think, they can all be classics
Edited by francisb on Monday 19th June 14:41
I realise that we're not really meant to be discussing 993s on this thread – but I would argue that the 993RS and GT2 are already classic (as prices show). That’s why I think that the TT is the next one to reach classic status…
I think it would have happened if it was going to happen with the 993tt. Sure, a few more years may help rarity and in 2106 all 993s will be collectible, but it's just not got the x factor - despite being a startlingly good car. The 993GT2 IS the classic 993 Turbo, in effect. Rarer, more focussed, faster.
Exactly, none of the other Turbo variants have really achieved classic status up to now, about the only one is the 965 Turbo S, which is more of a Gt2 than a 996 Gt2.
Even 993 turbo s in it's ultimate and super rare status is still only half the value of it's Gt2 equivalent......it appears the classics need some racing dna in their genes to go all the way.
Even 993 turbo s in it's ultimate and super rare status is still only half the value of it's Gt2 equivalent......it appears the classics need some racing dna in their genes to go all the way.
If it`s not considered a classic by some , then the 924 Carrera GT has to warrant a mention . An important car in Porsche history, it is a homologation special and celebrates it`s 25 anniversary this year . It was the forerunner to the front engined high performance cars like the 968CS and is still a quick and entertaining drive today . I`ve had mine 18 months or so and the novelty has not worn off .
As just over 400 were made, then sooner or later the values are going to rise.
As just over 400 were made, then sooner or later the values are going to rise.
francisb said:
Assuming we are all agreed the 2.7rs, 964rs, 993rs and 993gt2's are all classics (which older ones have i missed?), will any 996's be viewed as classics in 10 years i wonder?
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics.
hmmmmm
maybe gt2's again on account of their relative rarity (assuming oil doesnt go mental) but then people dont seem passionate about them in the same way they do gt3's, and renault will probably be doing a clio trophy 550 by then anyway
, but are there too many gt3's? the gt3rs i suppose is the obvious choice but its still 50-60k, i suppose they continue lower for 5 years before the gooduns turn round and start appreciating as classics. hmmmmm
From a drivers perspective, the GT3MK1 is a better car than the 993RS and the GT3RS is substantially better than the GT3MK1. The 964RS and 993RS are very well matched but the worst of the lot is the 73RS, which - according to informed Porsche lovers is God's own car. In reality the older cars were a lot more accessible to the journos that tell us all what to think. The later cars push the window beyond the abilities of most of those who have the influence to create cars of classic status in one article and that just wont do.
Quite what criteria a car needs to forfill to get classic status amongst the all knowing Porsche enthusiast who has probaly never been in - let alone driven - any of the cars in his top ten list has always been a mystery to me and the source of constant amusement. What I do know is that the 997RS hasn't got a cat in hells chance of being any good because, it's got to be old to be any good. Mind you, with a PASM button on it, it may just be the bet Porsch of all time. Porsche dont make em like they used to do they?
Edited by steve rance on Tuesday 20th June 10:27
Driven a 993rs back to back with a Mk1 GT3 on track. Only thing that the GT3 has that is superior to the 993rs is the engine. Out of the box the 993rs is a more rewarding and durable track car. You don't need to spend money on suspension and brakes like you would on the GT3 to make it stop and turn well.
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