Any thoughts???????Re Cayman S
Discussion
Serioulsy considering a Cayman S, or Z4 M I know they are both vastly different animals and am leaning towards the Porsche as i love the shape and it will be a daily driver and no doubt alot easier to live with!
Have a couple of queries that id appreciate some advice/suggestions on:-
Firstly any chance of getting a set of golf clubs
in a Cayman??
Running costs, petrol servicing etc??
Man or Tip??
is 15,000 a year too many miles IYO,s
do you rate sat nav as i have Tom Tom allready??
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers
JOE
Have a couple of queries that id appreciate some advice/suggestions on:-
Firstly any chance of getting a set of golf clubs
in a Cayman?? Running costs, petrol servicing etc??
Man or Tip??
is 15,000 a year too many miles IYO,s
do you rate sat nav as i have Tom Tom allready??
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers
JOE
Jo, the perspective of an ex Boxster S owner...
Yes to golf clubs. Was a piece of piss with the Boxster so no probls with the Cayman
Running costs. I'd say probably more than the BMW but not by that much
Manual... it's a sports car man!!!!
15,000 is nout! Are you buying it to look at or drive. Porsches need to be driven.
Whay pay for sat nav if have one unless you like the aesthetics of in-built!
Yes to golf clubs. Was a piece of piss with the Boxster so no probls with the Cayman
Running costs. I'd say probably more than the BMW but not by that much
Manual... it's a sports car man!!!!
15,000 is nout! Are you buying it to look at or drive. Porsches need to be driven.
Whay pay for sat nav if have one unless you like the aesthetics of in-built!
garyhun said:
Jo, the perspective of an ex Boxster S owner...
Yes to golf clubs. Was a piece of piss with the Boxster so no probls with the Cayman
Running costs. I'd say probably more than the BMW but not by that much
Manual... it's a sports car man!!!!
15,000 is nout! Are you buying it to look at or drive. Porsches need to be driven.
Whay pay for sat nav if have one unless you like the aesthetics of in-built!
Yes to golf clubs. Was a piece of piss with the Boxster so no probls with the Cayman
Running costs. I'd say probably more than the BMW but not by that much
Manual... it's a sports car man!!!!
15,000 is nout! Are you buying it to look at or drive. Porsches need to be driven.
Whay pay for sat nav if have one unless you like the aesthetics of in-built!
Thanks alot Gary, i think im going to book a test drive for next week il make it a manual. Great news re the golf clubs, that could have been a big problem.
Cheers again mate
il post how i get on
Joe
Hi Joe
No problems with you golf clubs
I average low to mid 20's around town and late 20 early 30's on a run
Allow £500/600 for the first 20,000 mile service
Manual
15,000 should be no problems
The sat nav is ok but the pcm system with telephone module and BOSE is a great overall system
Go and drive one - you'll love it
No problems with you golf clubs
I average low to mid 20's around town and late 20 early 30's on a run
Allow £500/600 for the first 20,000 mile service
Manual
15,000 should be no problems
The sat nav is ok but the pcm system with telephone module and BOSE is a great overall system
Go and drive one - you'll love it
Couple of words on the Cayman S. I currently run a 997 Carrera and my wife a Cayman S. Have to admit that a lot of the times when it comes to a blast down to the shops etc I pick up the Cayman S keys.. One hell of a car!!
Firstly - Forget the Z4..!!
Also, for a spec the following few options are a MUST:
- 19in wheels (the 18s just look way too small and crappy in real life).
- PASM (the car otherwise looks like its going offroading..!!)
- BOSE Surround Sound (if you're into your driving music the standard really isn't up to scratch
- Navigation module for PCM (guaranteed to be as good as a TomTom and even if you don't use it daily, it will help when you want to sell on..)
- Colour: Personal choice but the Cobalt blue looks horrible. Go silver or Lapis Blue
- Gearbox: Manual, manual, manual (stay away from the tip if you intend to drive seriously..!! Even my wife hates the tip..God knows why Porsche still use it!!)
- Parking sensor: Due to the shape the back can be a bit tricky to judge and the Parkassist is a gem.
All the other options, gizmos are dependent on your budget etc but the above will get you a stunning looking car that is great to drive and one that you can live with. Ours is a Lapis Blue with 19in SportDesign wheels with a few more toys but to date we've driven over 8k in 6 months (long daily commute) and wouldn't swap it for anything.
If going for a pre-used, try and get as many of the above into your spec. Selling on they make a huge difference to value.
On the other hand, my 997 Carrera has been a total pain to live with but thats a whole other story...!!
Firstly - Forget the Z4..!!
Also, for a spec the following few options are a MUST:
- 19in wheels (the 18s just look way too small and crappy in real life).
- PASM (the car otherwise looks like its going offroading..!!)
- BOSE Surround Sound (if you're into your driving music the standard really isn't up to scratch
- Navigation module for PCM (guaranteed to be as good as a TomTom and even if you don't use it daily, it will help when you want to sell on..)
- Colour: Personal choice but the Cobalt blue looks horrible. Go silver or Lapis Blue
- Gearbox: Manual, manual, manual (stay away from the tip if you intend to drive seriously..!! Even my wife hates the tip..God knows why Porsche still use it!!)
- Parking sensor: Due to the shape the back can be a bit tricky to judge and the Parkassist is a gem.
All the other options, gizmos are dependent on your budget etc but the above will get you a stunning looking car that is great to drive and one that you can live with. Ours is a Lapis Blue with 19in SportDesign wheels with a few more toys but to date we've driven over 8k in 6 months (long daily commute) and wouldn't swap it for anything.
If going for a pre-used, try and get as many of the above into your spec. Selling on they make a huge difference to value.
On the other hand, my 997 Carrera has been a total pain to live with but thats a whole other story...!!
JOETHETOE said:
Thanks for all your comments gents, think il ditch the Z4 thoughts and book a test drive this week.
All the best
Joe
All the best
Joe
So you decide not to try a Z4M based on the replies you got on a Porsche site? Hmmmmm.
I'd keep an open mind if I were you and try both - you've got nothing to loose and I believe there are Z4M coupe demonstrators around. And another point, spec. all the doo-dah's mentioned above on the Cayman and you're looking at a £50k car. A Z4M coupe is much better spec'd as std (hey, it even has a lsd) and suddenly you're looking at a £10k delta. Oh, and if you're much taller than 6ft, you'll find more room in a Z4.
And sure, factory SatNav helps with re-sale, but you'll never see the £2k it costs back - options depreciate much faster than the car. If you're worried about minimising your losses keep away from the options list - inspite of what a Porsche salesman may tell you. And two or three year old SatNav systems are not a great draw for a used car buyer. Ask all those early 996 owners with unsupported factory systems - you're better off in many ways with a £300 Tom Tom.
SS7
I would give the z4m some serious thought. Or a Boxster S 3.4 at 5k less than a cayman.
The problem with the Cayman is the cost and need for Options, quickly a 43k car becomes a 50k car.
The BMW looks right on its standard wheels, includes metallic, proper suspension, sports seats etc whilst all these knock up the price on the Cayman.
Bennno
Fair points guys and thanks, but i still think i a mleaning towards the Cayman, the resale side of it doesnt really bother me as i will prob put this through the business on a lease deal.
To be honest I have had some very good experiences with BMW however i seem to be getting alot of people saying that the ZM coupe is a great car but might get a little tiresome over 15,000 a year with quite alot of those in being London?
You may be right i should prob test drive one first though.
Cheers
Joe
do still think the Cayman looks alot nicer though!!!!
To be honest I have had some very good experiences with BMW however i seem to be getting alot of people saying that the ZM coupe is a great car but might get a little tiresome over 15,000 a year with quite alot of those in being London?
You may be right i should prob test drive one first though.
Cheers
Joe
do still think the Cayman looks alot nicer though!!!!
I'm just about to stick down a deposit for a MY07 Cayman S - drove the BMW and while a great car, the Porsche is just that bit better in every way (for me at least). It's extremely well balanced and once in tune with it (which happens very quickly) you really feel 'one' with it - clichéd, I know...
I'm going for a sports oriented spec - 19 inch wheels with PASM and Sports Chrono (makes a good deal of difference to throttle reponse imho), shortshifter, thicker sports steering wheel and full leather sports seats. The only 'luxury item', for want of a better word, will be the Bose system.
Don't need satnav in Dubai or the communication package.
The only other sports item I suppose would be the carbon brakes but have driven with both, I honestly couldn't tell the difference, even on the track, and the Carbons were very squeeky/noisy.
Colours? Probably either GT Silver with the Carrera Sport wheels and sand interior - or Artic silver with the Sport Design wheels with sand also.
Best of luck.
I'm going for a sports oriented spec - 19 inch wheels with PASM and Sports Chrono (makes a good deal of difference to throttle reponse imho), shortshifter, thicker sports steering wheel and full leather sports seats. The only 'luxury item', for want of a better word, will be the Bose system.
Don't need satnav in Dubai or the communication package.
The only other sports item I suppose would be the carbon brakes but have driven with both, I honestly couldn't tell the difference, even on the track, and the Carbons were very squeeky/noisy.
Colours? Probably either GT Silver with the Carrera Sport wheels and sand interior - or Artic silver with the Sport Design wheels with sand also.
Best of luck.
Hi Joe,
Some of these have been answered, but I hope a few more thoughts help!
Golf clubs: Yes. You wouldn't think so, but they do!
Running costs: Servicing every 2 years seems to make it reasonable. Petrol - lots! Particularly used round town without really going anywhere
Gearbox: I have a manual, but when mine had a problem and I was given a loan Tip I really didn't like it. I went with it for a while hoping it would grow on me, but it didn't. Feels like a completely different car. No doubt there are some who love it, but I'm not one of them
15,000 a year too many miles?: Dunno. Hope not, but there again don't really care! In the first 3 months I did 4,500 miles.... and everyone of them enjoyable!
Do you rate sat nav as i have Tom Tom allready?? : NO!! It's rubbish! Completely and utterly rubbish! I've had a TomTom GO 700 since July last year and have used it in 9 countries and over about 10,000 miles - love it! In April this year I had 3 loan Porsches over 3 weeks all with the latest PCM Sat Nav.. a decent enough time to compare the two systems.
The Porsche is not as easy to find addresses, voice prompts not as clear, map not as easy to follow, doesn't have Europe built in and... well there are a whole host of other functions that the Porsche system doesn't have. One of the things that really got me was it's address database - for example I couldn't find a shop with the address of "High street, Eltham" because it didn't know where Eltham was. I presume it's part of a bigger town, but as I didn't know that I was b*ggered. I had the post code too.... but the Porsche system doesn't take postcodes. In my opinion the Porsche Sat Nav is years out of date and the Tom Tom rides very high above it.
Mind you, one is built in and looks lovely, the other is stuck to the windscreen. A powerful plus point, but not enough for me and £1,800.
Anyway, I think you probably want to pop over to the BMW forum to get a view on that - you're likely to only get Porsche fans here
Here are my options. In hindsight I missed off cruise control - it's far too easy to go licence-losing fast on a motorway without realising it. www.pikeynet.com/06/03/04/caymanspec.htm
Cheers
Ben
Some of these have been answered, but I hope a few more thoughts help!
Golf clubs: Yes. You wouldn't think so, but they do!
Running costs: Servicing every 2 years seems to make it reasonable. Petrol - lots! Particularly used round town without really going anywhere
Gearbox: I have a manual, but when mine had a problem and I was given a loan Tip I really didn't like it. I went with it for a while hoping it would grow on me, but it didn't. Feels like a completely different car. No doubt there are some who love it, but I'm not one of them
15,000 a year too many miles?: Dunno. Hope not, but there again don't really care!
In the first 3 months I did 4,500 miles.... and everyone of them enjoyable! Do you rate sat nav as i have Tom Tom allready?? : NO!! It's rubbish! Completely and utterly rubbish!
I've had a TomTom GO 700 since July last year and have used it in 9 countries and over about 10,000 miles - love it! In April this year I had 3 loan Porsches over 3 weeks all with the latest PCM Sat Nav.. a decent enough time to compare the two systems. The Porsche is not as easy to find addresses, voice prompts not as clear, map not as easy to follow, doesn't have Europe built in and... well there are a whole host of other functions that the Porsche system doesn't have. One of the things that really got me was it's address database - for example I couldn't find a shop with the address of "High street, Eltham" because it didn't know where Eltham was. I presume it's part of a bigger town, but as I didn't know that I was b*ggered. I had the post code too.... but the Porsche system doesn't take postcodes. In my opinion the Porsche Sat Nav is years out of date and the Tom Tom rides very high above it.
Mind you, one is built in and looks lovely, the other is stuck to the windscreen. A powerful plus point, but not enough for me and £1,800.
Anyway, I think you probably want to pop over to the BMW forum to get a view on that - you're likely to only get Porsche fans here
Here are my options. In hindsight I missed off cruise control - it's far too easy to go licence-losing fast on a motorway without realising it. www.pikeynet.com/06/03/04/caymanspec.htm
Cheers
Ben
pikey said:
Do you rate sat nav as i have Tom Tom allready?? : NO!! It's rubbish! Completely and utterly rubbish!
I've had a TomTom GO 700 since July last year and have used it in 9 countries and over about 10,000 miles - love it! In April this year I had 3 loan Porsches over 3 weeks all with the latest PCM Sat Nav.. a decent enough time to compare the two systems. The Porsche is not as easy to find addresses, voice prompts not as clear, map not as easy to follow, doesn't have Europe built in and... well there are a whole host of other functions that the Porsche system doesn't have. One of the things that really got me was it's address database - for example I couldn't find a shop with the address of "High street, Eltham" because it didn't know where Eltham was. I presume it's part of a bigger town, but as I didn't know that I was b*ggered. I had the post code too.... but the Porsche system doesn't take postcodes. In my opinion the Porsche Sat Nav is years out of date and the Tom Tom rides very high above it.
My last new 996 in 2004 had Sat Nav. I believe that unlike the earlier systems it was DVD based and it covered all of Europe (if not then I stand corrected). I took it at the time as it combined trip computer, hands free phone (with module) and sat nav. As the screen now seems to be fitted to every 996 though the other functions are there anyway and I find the costs very questionable.
As per pikeys post I think the choice of sat nav systems on the market now makes the cost of fitted sat nav very questionable. The Becker system with full 27 country mapping is now just £200 or TomTom has sat nav with speed cameras all built in for £450 inc Europe.
Bennno
Well I test drove a Z4 M (roadster) back to back with a Cayman.
I ended up with the Cayman S!! I'm 6'4" and fitted better into the Cayman. The Cayman has a LOT more boot space than the Z4M (rear boots are similar, but you have the extra front boot on the Cayman).
Also the overall quality of the Porsche is miles ahead. Yes a Cayman S is £50K by the time it is specced to something you want, and the BMW is £44K or so.
BUT one feels like a £50K car... the other like a £25K car with a big engine in it...
I ended up with the Cayman S!! I'm 6'4" and fitted better into the Cayman. The Cayman has a LOT more boot space than the Z4M (rear boots are similar, but you have the extra front boot on the Cayman).
Also the overall quality of the Porsche is miles ahead. Yes a Cayman S is £50K by the time it is specced to something you want, and the BMW is £44K or so.
BUT one feels like a £50K car... the other like a £25K car with a big engine in it...
c7xlg said:
Also the overall quality of the Porsche is miles ahead. Yes a Cayman S is £50K by the time it is specced to something you want, and the BMW is £44K or so.
BUT one feels like a £50K car... the other like a £25K car with a big engine in it...
Dont forget that 95% of the Cayman is the same as the entry level boxster at £34k.
the only slight problem I have with the Cayman is that on a 911 Porsche charge a £5-7k premium for the folding roof model whilst with the Cayman the reverse applies with the lower cost to manufacture car being much more expensive.
what is the spec difference between the Boxster S and Cayman?
Bennno
abarber said:
Why not get the best of both worlds, a new 3.4 Boxster S?
thats my thought, the main buyer of one of the opc's confided in me a while back that a Boxster S in pretty much base spec (as it had lthr, air con, metallic, nice wheels) was one of the most sound financial purchases in the Porsche range...
Bennno
bennno said:
the main buyer of one of the opc's confided in me a while back that a Boxster S in pretty much base spec (as it had lthr, air con, metallic, nice wheels) was one of the most sound financial purchases in the Porsche range...
Bennno
Bennno
Ahh.. but that's the key thing .... the difference between buying with your head or your heart!!
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