996 TTTrouble - help needed please

996 TTTrouble - help needed please

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turboguru

Original Poster:

448 posts

230 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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guys I really need some advise, here is what is happening to my Revo modified 996 TT:

Took my car for a good drive using it's favourite tesco 99 ron fuel and it is definitely not driving right, it loses tractions loads so I reakon needs a new sensor there plus it boosts to 0.7 bar in 3rd then drops off nearer the rev to 0.6 and 0.5 bar so that's not right - so in my guesstimates its needs a airmass sensor and maybe one for the exhaust too. MMMMnnn not sure what to do.

The Revo chip is pretty much the same as the DMS one so I would expect to see it boosting at 0.9 to 1.0 bar then more on overrun - what causes a lack of boost? maybe the waste gate is playing up?

all advise most appreciated before a OPC pulls my pants down and gives me a good spanking

kayc

4,492 posts

221 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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turboguru said:
guys I really need some advise, here is what is happening to my Revo modified 996 TT:

Took my car for a good drive using it's favourite tesco 99 ron fuel and it is definitely not driving right, it loses tractions loads so I reakon needs a new sensor there plus it boosts to 0.7 bar in 3rd then drops off nearer the rev to 0.6 and 0.5 bar so that's not right - so in my guesstimates its needs a airmass sensor and maybe one for the exhaust too. MMMMnnn not sure what to do.

The Revo chip is pretty much the same as the DMS one so I would expect to see it boosting at 0.9 to 1.0 bar then more on overrun - what causes a lack of boost? maybe the waste gate is playing up?

all advise most appreciated before a OPC pulls my pants down and gives me a good spanking
I had exactly the same problem..i cleaned the maf and it changed but still not correct ...my local OPC let me do a sale or return on a new maf and now its perfect..

scaryx50

78 posts

219 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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If it's revo modified why go to an OPC? Why not go to the outfit which installed the Revo kit or one of their agents?

egbert

449 posts

221 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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It seems most problems of this type with 996tt's relate to the MAF, in my opinion cleaning merely prolongs the inevitable replacement, £300 from OPC and easy to fit yourself. It may be cheaper to source the same part from Bosch but I'm not sure if you'll get exactly the same thing.


johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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You can get th eBosch MAF from Euro Car parts and a host of other suppliers - usually much cheaper. My GT3 MAF was £342 at OPC - £170 at Euro CarParts.

supermono

7,368 posts

248 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Do Euro car parts guarantee you're getting the same part? I know the M5 boys were having trouble with apparently identical MAFs.

I'd get the porsche part to be sure, otherwise you could be making a very false economy.

BTW If you want to buy my secondhand tt maf drop me a line. I bought a new one as a matter of course when I got the car but it made no difference -- ergo mine must be ok.

SM

turboguru

Original Poster:

448 posts

230 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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cheers boys, I will look into the MAF thing - what do you think it's doing then running rich but not allowing the right mixture of air and fuel in? cheers

C

asterix

24,438 posts

228 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Does anyone else see the irony in this thread being started by turboguru?

turboguru

Original Poster:

448 posts

230 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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yes thanks for that!! the name I chose does seem like a mistake at times I have to say!! it should have been turboblaggit

I just want my car to get better - do you boys think that buying a new MAF will really help it with all the problems even traction control or rather lack of traction control control?

996tt_stevo

4,078 posts

228 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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It will more than likely be a MAF related issue, unless you ever over boosted due to wastegate adjustments, which will highly be unlikely as its a Revo upgrade! (should be 0.9/1.0 boost max) I have PSI 570/580 and I boost 1.1/1.2 (this is ok for k24's) but if I was to ever overboosts to 1.4 I would get throttle body shut down which then fires it into limp mode (will only boost 0.6/0.7)!!!

As some of the guys have mentioned you can purchase from Euro Car Parts and pop it in yourself, so easy!

Edited by 996tt_stevo on Tuesday 11th July 22:56

996tt_stevo

4,078 posts

228 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Oh, just to add! I upgraded my wastegate springs, replaced with a stiffer spring this helps retain a constant boost.

rumplestiltskin

1,084 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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If I was a betting man I would say the MAF needs replacing too - seeing how several people have had the same problem, and common problems on TT are rare as they are pretty bullet proof.
If you get a Bosch part from Europarts then ring up a dealer, get the product code for the MAF & check when ordering the Europarts one that they match, so you know you are exacly getting the same part - or take supermono's offer up on that unused new MAF....quite a bargain at £50

R.

scruffy101

540 posts

215 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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johnfm said:
You can get th eBosch MAF from Euro Car parts and a host of other suppliers - usually much cheaper. My GT3 MAF was £342 at OPC - £170 at Euro CarParts.
I conur,had mine done last week on boxster s,Parts £250 at OPC ,or £150 at independant,it took 5 mins to fit .

supermono

7,368 posts

248 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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rumplestiltskin said:
or take supermono's offer up on that unused new MAF....quite a bargain at £50

R.


Errrrr. It's the one I took out that I'm selling not the new one! 20k miles on it, 3.5 years old. Send me a private if you're interested.

SM

996tt_stevo

4,078 posts

228 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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supermono said:
rumplestiltskin said:
or take supermono's offer up on that unused new MAF....quite a bargain at £50

R.


Errrrr. It's the one I took out that I'm selling not the new one! 20k miles on it, 3.5 years old. Send me a private if you're interested.

SM


That, doesn't make any sense whatesoever!!!

I would never buy a used MAF, no disrespect to Supermono, but you got to ask yourself why he is replacing it?

A MAF either works or it doesn't (yes it can collect residue/dust but you would clean that (spray) with some contact cleaner (make sure it doesn't leave any film!)

I would purchase a new one!

996tt_stevo

4,078 posts

228 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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Supermono, I totally apologies! I never looked at your previous post!


But, I will say that the MAF's from Euro are fine! Bosch Parts, no probs!!!

supermono

7,368 posts

248 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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996tt_stevo said:
Supermono, I totally apologies! I never looked at your previous post!


But, I will say that the MAF's from Euro are fine! Bosch Parts, no probs!!!


It's ok, I do that all the time TBH for the sake of £300 I'd buy new myself and from OPC, but if someone isn't sure about their MAF it'd be a cheap way of diagnosing the problem, and you never know it might just go on for years.

As far as supposedly identical items, whizz across to m5board.com they're big on MAFs over there and some guys had bad experiences with non main dealer supplied kit. BMW in their infinite widsom provide a neat on board test you can run that gives an indication of MAF health.

It appears that when they fail, MAFs cause a lean condition although I think the lambda sensor will allow the ECU to compensate, but I had dyno runs aborted in my M5 due to a "dangerously" lean mixture. Something more highly stressed like a GT3 or turbo might not last that long overly lean so to my mind saving 100 quid on a MAF that might not be exactly the same could be risk not worth taking.

SM

turboguru

Original Poster:

448 posts

230 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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I have ordered a new MAF so this time tomorrow I will let you know if it fixes it - fingers crossed!

What still worries me the most is the fact it loses traction? surely the MAF would have nothing to do with this?

I got the wheels re-aligned a few weeks ago and all tyre pressures are perfect!

supermono

7,368 posts

248 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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When you say "loses traction" what do you mean? you're wheelspinning everywhere? Have you tried it with the PSM off?

Is the PSM light showing on the dashboard? Maybe you have a sensor gone in the system so it's off all the time and it's turned you into johnny sideways.

I believe that in the old days one was able to use the "go as fast as you can go" pedal in a variety of positions ranging infinitely from "up" to "down" depending on how much grip is not being used by the cornering force

SM

turboguru

Original Poster:

448 posts

230 months

Wednesday 12th July 2006
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when I say loses traction I mean the PSM takes over all the time when I dont think it is needed so i wondered if the power wasnt being put down smoothly due to the bad MAF? I guess I do the MAF and then if that doesn't fix it look at it again