RE: Porsche launches 911 Targa 4

RE: Porsche launches 911 Targa 4

Monday 17th July 2006

Porsche launches 911 Targa 4

4 and 4S offer open-top Carrera-ness


Porsche 997 Targa 4 and 4S (silver)
Porsche 997 Targa 4 and 4S (silver)
Porsche 997 Targa 4S
Porsche 997 Targa 4S
Porsche 997 Targa 4
Porsche 997 Targa 4

Porsche has launched the Targa variants of the 911 Carrera. For the first time, according to Porsche, the Targa models will be available with permanent all-wheel drive and a body that is 44mm wider at the rear.

As with the 996, the 997 Targas feature a large glass roof and folding rear window. The Targa 4 is powered by the familiar flat-six engine, delivering 325 bhp power from its 3.6 litres. It accelerates the car from 0 to 62mph in 5.3 seconds while the 3.8-litre S produces 355bhp and a 0-62mph of 4.9 seconds.

Customers can choose Porsche’s five-speed Tiptronic S automatic transmission, allowing very sporty gear changes using the finger pads mounted on the steering-wheel spokes, and which has been measured by Porsche to deliver a faster zero to 62 mph than the manual transmission -- bit of a first, this.

As with the coupe and cabrio versions of the Carrera 4S, the transmission uses all-wheel drive with a Visco multi-plate clutch, which depending on driving conditions applies between five and 40 percent of the driving power to the front axles at all times. The system thereby ensures well-balanced propulsive power in bends when driving to the limit, and improves traction even on wet or slippery road surfaces.

The outward distinguishing feature of the Targa 4(S) is a large glass roof blending harmoniously with the sports car’s lines and lending it a distinctive personality, reckons Stuttgart. A side-mounted polished, anodized aluminium trim strip running the length of the roof frame emphasises the side outline.

The glass roof is a visually appealing highlight and ensures a light, airy interior. It can be opened in only seven seconds to as much as half a metre, no matter what the speed, by means of two electric motors. The maximum roof opening area is then 0.45 square metres.

It's made of two-ply tinted glass, and is 1.9kg lighter than its predecessor. Wind noises are kept low at high speed by a new sealing system. A wind deflector minimises turbulence inside the vehicle, allowing the roof to be opened even at lower temperatures, said Porsche. The semi translucent black cloth roller sunblind provides protection from excessive solar radiation. The glass roof and roller blind are operated by a rocker switch on the central console next to the handbrake lever.

The gas strut-operated, upward-tilting rear windshield makes it easy to load the 230-litre capacity boot with rear seats in the folded position. The tailgate can either be unlocked by a switch on the driver side doorsill or by the remote control button on the key fob. Closing is facilitated by an electric closing aid.

The 911 Targa 4 costs €79,000 and €87,900 for the 4S, and they'll be available in November.

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hendry

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1,945 posts

283 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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I personally find the styling of this car more pleasing to the eye than the normal FHC. Does this article suggest what the weight penalty is? Shame whatever additional weight there is will be high as well, lifting the CoG.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Shame that they still use rear wings from the cab.

The joint at the junction of the roof rail and rear wing looks really odd.

Geneve

3,868 posts

220 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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The traditional swept roof line and rear quarter windows of the Coupe ('63 to '06) is surely the 911's most endearing styling cue (especially since the front wings were lost with the 993).

IMO the Targa will never look right.

Dr S

4,997 posts

227 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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hendry said:

I personally find the styling of this car more pleasing to the eye than the normal FHC. Does this article suggest what the weight penalty is? Shame whatever additional weight there is will be high as well, lifting the CoG.


Looking at the quoted 0-62 times (0.2 sec for the standard model), the weight gain seems to be rather substantial and most likely in the worst place. Some years ago this level of kerb weight would have gotten you into a lorry...

Geneve

3,868 posts

220 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Dr S said:
hendry said:

I personally find the styling of this car more pleasing to the eye than the normal FHC. Does this article suggest what the weight penalty is? Shame whatever additional weight there is will be high as well, lifting the CoG.


Looking at the quoted 0-62 times (0.2 sec for the standard model), the weight gain seems to be rather substantial and most likely in the worst place. Some years ago this level of kerb weight would have gotten you into a lorry...


I think there are a great many Porsche buyers who really don't understand or care about the significance of the weight issue.

Porsche, like many other manufacturers, are trying to accomodate every gap within their potential market to attract a broader clientele. And for those people who want wide bodies, four wheel drive, tiptronic, complex roof systems, all modern comforts and conveniences, Porsche will provide the product.

If one argues that the best dynamic iteration of the 911 is a lightweight, simply specc'd, 6 -spd, rwd, Coupe a lot of people will just laugh.

scotty_917

1,034 posts

223 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Geneve said:
Dr S said:
hendry said:

I personally find the styling of this car more pleasing to the eye than the normal FHC. Does this article suggest what the weight penalty is? Shame whatever additional weight there is will be high as well, lifting the CoG.


Looking at the quoted 0-62 times (0.2 sec for the standard model), the weight gain seems to be rather substantial and most likely in the worst place. Some years ago this level of kerb weight would have gotten you into a lorry...


If one argues that the best dynamic iteration of the 911 is a lightweight, simply specc'd, 6 -spd, rwd, Coupe a lot of people will just laugh.


...this is already well known to be fact...see the recent write ups in the specialist magazines of the 997 turbo v the dynamic traits of the new GT3 & RS.

r988

7,495 posts

230 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Seems kind of pointless really, basically just a huge sunroof.
Why buy a Targa when you can get a Convertible and hardtop if you need it? If you're going to pose you as well do it properly .

mwhwsmith

5 posts

214 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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The reasons for buying one are pretty simple:

1. It's better than a convertible if you want anyone to sit in the back - the forward raked (sp?) seats in the rear of the convertible are unuseable whereas the coupe and targa are as good as it gets in a 911.
2. The rear hatchback feature is great if you need this car to be at all practical.
3. The super-sized sunroof gives an impression of open air motoring although I personally would prefer a little more wind noise, buffetting etc.

Obviously all of this asusmes you will happily give up the weight and performance which clearly you wouldn't if it is to be a track-day car. My guess is that most of these are not and I don't believe it is possible to drive these cars lawfully near the limit on public roads - so I don't think the weight makes much difference.

Geneve

3,868 posts

220 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Weight makes a big difference - and it is noticeable at sensible speeds on public roads.

Even a modest weight saving enhances the way a car accelarates, steers, brakes and handles. People spend £6000 on PCCBs not for improved braking but for the unsprung weight saving.

Drive an 'RS' or 'Club Sport' Porsche variant and the lightness is clearly detectable. Several leading journalists have also remarked that the base 997 is nicer to drive than a specc'd up 997S for this very reason.

Weight dulls the dynamics of virtually any car.

rbryant

316 posts

242 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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Is it just me or does anyone else think it looks like an AMC Pacer from the rear?

scotty_917

1,034 posts

223 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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rbryant said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think it looks like an AMC Pacer from the rear?
presumably it comes with a free copy of Bohemian Rhapsody?

Spice_Weasel

2,286 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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I'm sure you can't get three blokes in the back of a 997 !!!!

It was the sick guy in the middle of Wayne's Pacer that sang the 'Let me go' lines

fatboy b

9,500 posts

217 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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Anyone fancy a job in the Porsche design studio? I hear they only work a couple of hours a week, and one of those is to make the coffee!

Spice_Weasel

2,286 posts

254 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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Do I take from this article that the Targa is available in 4 wheel drive only form? Or will it be available in 2wd as well?

bertie

8,550 posts

285 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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Presumably the weight penalty and the reason they use the cabriolet rear wings is that it's the same shell as the cabriolet due to the loss of stiffness inherent with the huge sunroof.

Makes sense and explains why you get the coupe first, then the cab then the targa.

Use the cab as the basis and you don't have to re-engineer the body structure or worry about proving crash performance.

Just my guess but makes sense to me.

wrn

432 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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Dr S said:
Looking at the quoted 0-62 times (0.2 sec for the standard model)

Wow, that is quick.

Dr S

4,997 posts

227 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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wrn said:
Dr S said:
Looking at the quoted 0-62 times (0.2 sec for the standard model)

Wow, that is quick.


0.2 sec, that's the difference to the non-targa version...

yzf1070

814 posts

232 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
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Ohh look how inventive its ANOTHER 911....HO HUM...

ponkyporky

62 posts

221 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
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Anyone have the weights Carrera 4S vs 4s Cab vs 4S Targa?

interested to hear.

DucatiGary

7,765 posts

226 months

Wednesday 19th July 2006
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mwhwsmith said:
2. The rear hatchback feature is great if you need this car to be at all practical.


hatchback ? did I miss somthing?