R turbo on the autobahn
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Germany is not a 3rd world bannana republic, if there morality rates on autobans where high. they would clamp down.
What Adam has done is not illegal & I dare to say he puts less inocent people at risk than somemeone doing 35mph intown.
I take it you never break the 20/30 mph restictions ?
What Adam has done is not illegal & I dare to say he puts less inocent people at risk than somemeone doing 35mph intown.
I take it you never break the 20/30 mph restictions ?
Decanter said:
Gulliver911 said:
Troll attack
Sums it all up,if an alternative argument is offered you dont like, use diversion tactics.
Just justify driving at very high speed on a public road, and dont just offer the empty autobahn nonsense.
If people dont control themselves at some stage or another, some bureaucrat in Brussels eventually will enforce speed limits you really wont like.
Decanter,have you even driven a car yet??? Or are you just playing games with us, on your Mums computer.
. Mark.
Decanter said:
Sums it all up,if an alternative argument is offered you dont like, use diversion tactics.
What, you mean like "you obviously dont get it so I won't bother explainging it" ?
Decanter said:
Just justify driving at very high speed on a public road, and dont just offer the empty autobahn nonsense.
Can you justify driving at 50mph on a straight national speed limit a/b-road, am I'm sure you have done at some point? Anyone could easily argue that this relatively low speed puts others in greater danger than an empty autobahn since one blow out, failed component etc can pitch you into a head on with an oncoming car.
Edited by .Z. on Thursday 17th August 12:59
Interesting discussion....
Have a friend in Munich so driven down a few times. My 83 911 is no RUF and instead maxes out just before 150. Do I hit that at the first available chance... course I do. Day or night if the truth be told when there is enough empty-ness. And I'm fairly sure that 150 in mine is more dangerous than 200 in the RUF.
But... they do have a fair amount of accidents - take one look at the barriers. Additionally my friends sister was badly hurt in such an accident by someone on the other carriage way doing a similar run and loosing control. Note other carriageway.... blow out and flipped over.
So - whilst I'm personally guilty of going for it, I do have slight pangs of guilt. Not enough to stop me.... But anyway - I think the very negative attitude towards those suggesting that this is possibly not as safe as you think is a bit harsh.
Have a friend in Munich so driven down a few times. My 83 911 is no RUF and instead maxes out just before 150. Do I hit that at the first available chance... course I do. Day or night if the truth be told when there is enough empty-ness. And I'm fairly sure that 150 in mine is more dangerous than 200 in the RUF.
But... they do have a fair amount of accidents - take one look at the barriers. Additionally my friends sister was badly hurt in such an accident by someone on the other carriage way doing a similar run and loosing control. Note other carriageway.... blow out and flipped over.
So - whilst I'm personally guilty of going for it, I do have slight pangs of guilt. Not enough to stop me.... But anyway - I think the very negative attitude towards those suggesting that this is possibly not as safe as you think is a bit harsh.
Thanks guys for all the contributions and thoughts, I havent been able to jump into the discussion as much as i would like as im in Italy at the moment 
Anywho,
Decanter - Thank you for your kind words re: the car, however i disagree with quite alot you have said,
"Not once have I questioned the capabilities of RUF, what I've questioned is the point of thrashing a car in a more or less straight line at over 200mph in the dark on a public road. What on earth does that prove? Apart from a death wish."
Im terribly sorry but if this statement regarding a death wish is in comparison to my video then you are rather far from the mark. I definetely have no such thing, and for you to say such crap shows you have no experience of such circumstances or speed.
The video i posted was cut, i think in total we filmed 6-7 mins worth, i didnt post the rest because it was driving between 100mph and 130mph waiting for:
a) no traffic
b) the best part of this autobahn for high speed workout (I have driven this road more times than...etc etc etc)
c) no entrance/exits.
Infact before the second 200mph run, you can hear me say to my co-pilot, something like "fantastic its clear"...if it wasnt theres no way i could drive as fast as i did.
Decanter, have you any experience with speeds above 70mph?
For the guys wondering which road i used it was the A96 between Stetten and Buchloe (the same town that Alpina is made by the by) this is also the route that Ruf use to max speed test every car made (my car did the same thing when it was finished back in 03)
all the best
adam
Anywho,
Decanter - Thank you for your kind words re: the car, however i disagree with quite alot you have said,
"Not once have I questioned the capabilities of RUF, what I've questioned is the point of thrashing a car in a more or less straight line at over 200mph in the dark on a public road. What on earth does that prove? Apart from a death wish."
Im terribly sorry but if this statement regarding a death wish is in comparison to my video then you are rather far from the mark. I definetely have no such thing, and for you to say such crap shows you have no experience of such circumstances or speed.
The video i posted was cut, i think in total we filmed 6-7 mins worth, i didnt post the rest because it was driving between 100mph and 130mph waiting for:
a) no traffic
b) the best part of this autobahn for high speed workout (I have driven this road more times than...etc etc etc)
c) no entrance/exits.
Infact before the second 200mph run, you can hear me say to my co-pilot, something like "fantastic its clear"...if it wasnt theres no way i could drive as fast as i did.
Decanter, have you any experience with speeds above 70mph?
For the guys wondering which road i used it was the A96 between Stetten and Buchloe (the same town that Alpina is made by the by) this is also the route that Ruf use to max speed test every car made (my car did the same thing when it was finished back in 03)
all the best
adam
Decanter said:
Adam B said:
why do you keep on going on about "sharing" - poeple are talking about an EMPTY road
I doubt theres an EMPTY road on the entire planet unless you happen to be in the Amazon or Scotland perhaps
Who are you trying to kid? When I leave for Calais at 02.00 AM to catch the 05.28 Eurotunnel departure (boarding 04.58) I find large stretches of road EMPTY. When I'm heading home from South Germany late at night, I find large stretches of the A61 towards Venlo EMPTY. I can't remember a drive on the 'Oberhausen Straight' from Arnhem/Zevenaar where the first part of the A3/E35 after crossing the vorder was all but EMPTY.
Decanter said:
adamt said:
Thanks guys for all the contributions and thoughts, I havent been able to jump into the discussion as much as i would like as im in Italy at the moment
Anywho,
Decanter - Thank you for your kind words re: the car, however i disagree with quite alot you have said,
"Not once have I questioned the capabilities of RUF, what I've questioned is the point of thrashing a car in a more or less straight line at over 200mph in the dark on a public road. What on earth does that prove? Apart from a death wish."
Im terribly sorry but if this statement regarding a death wish is in comparison to my video then you are rather far from the mark. I definetely have no such thing, and for you to say such crap shows you have no experience of such circumstances or speed.
The video i posted was cut, i think in total we filmed 6-7 mins worth, i didnt post the rest because it was driving between 100mph and 130mph waiting for:
a) no traffic
b) the best part of this autobahn for high speed workout (I have driven this road more times than...etc etc etc)
c) no entrance/exits.
Infact before the second 200mph run, you can hear me say to my co-pilot, something like "fantastic its clear"...if it wasnt theres no way i could drive as fast as i did.
Decanter, have you any experience with speeds above 70mph?
For the guys wondering which road i used it was the A96 between Stetten and Buchloe (the same town that Alpina is made by the by) this is also the route that Ruf use to max speed test every car made (my car did the same thing when it was finished back in 03)
all the best
adam
Anywho,
Decanter - Thank you for your kind words re: the car, however i disagree with quite alot you have said,
"Not once have I questioned the capabilities of RUF, what I've questioned is the point of thrashing a car in a more or less straight line at over 200mph in the dark on a public road. What on earth does that prove? Apart from a death wish."
Im terribly sorry but if this statement regarding a death wish is in comparison to my video then you are rather far from the mark. I definetely have no such thing, and for you to say such crap shows you have no experience of such circumstances or speed.
The video i posted was cut, i think in total we filmed 6-7 mins worth, i didnt post the rest because it was driving between 100mph and 130mph waiting for:
a) no traffic
b) the best part of this autobahn for high speed workout (I have driven this road more times than...etc etc etc)
c) no entrance/exits.
Infact before the second 200mph run, you can hear me say to my co-pilot, something like "fantastic its clear"...if it wasnt theres no way i could drive as fast as i did.
Decanter, have you any experience with speeds above 70mph?
For the guys wondering which road i used it was the A96 between Stetten and Buchloe (the same town that Alpina is made by the by) this is also the route that Ruf use to max speed test every car made (my car did the same thing when it was finished back in 03)
all the best
adam
adamt my apologies for your thread descending into farce, I had intended logical reasoned discussion instead I got nonsense from huge Ego’s unable to see past their own nose. You may not agree with my sentiments but at least we don’t have to resort to abuse.
A couple of quote’s from ‘Bertrand Russel’ I think sums it up……………….
“Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so.”
“A life without adventure is likely to be unsatisfying, but a life in which adventure is allowed to take whatever form it will is sure to be short”.
Oh good grief. You obviously know nothing about high speed stability, the car, the road, the conditions, pretty much all the factors involved in this at all.
All you see is "200mph by young lad in RUF in Germany". Well I suggest that you take a long hard look at the facts presented, then make a proper judgement, as the one your are trying to put across, is frankly, bollox.
Empty roads do exist, cars designed to travel at 200mph are done so for a reason, put the 2 together and you have a situation that is not only perfectly safe, but has actually been engineered as such. Moron.
Decanter said:
Adam B said:
why do you keep on going on about "sharing" - poeple are talking about an EMPTY road
I doubt theres an EMPTY road on the entire planet unless you happen to be in the Amazon or Scotland perhaps
If there were roads in the amazon,they would be coverd most of the time in wildlife.
The Gobi desert would be a far better choice.
Mark
Decanter is obviously the type who sits on the fastlane at 73mph when the rest of the motorway is clear to 'teach' the rest of us...
Decanter - I'm the guy who flashes his lights, honks his horn and then blasts past you at 120mph with my middle finger showing through the sunroof...
Go away you troll.
Decanter - I'm the guy who flashes his lights, honks his horn and then blasts past you at 120mph with my middle finger showing through the sunroof...
Go away you troll.
JEBLondon said:
Decanter is obviously the type who sits on the fastlane at 73mph when the rest of the motorway is clear to 'teach' the rest of us...
Decanter - I'm the guy who flashes his lights, honks his horn and then blasts past you at 120mph with my middle finger showing through the sunroof...
Go away you troll.
Decanter - I'm the guy who flashes his lights, honks his horn and then blasts past you at 120mph with my middle finger showing through the sunroof...
Go away you troll.
I like your style.....
:The simple fact is that there should be only one driving offence - dangerous driving - as was mentioned recently on another thread. The speed is immaterial.
An idiot doing 100mph weaving in and out of rush hour traffic is immeasurably more dangerous than Adam's 200mph run at night.
However, kinetic energy is exponentially larger at 200mph so the responsibility and burden of travelling at that speed is therefore going to be greater... at almost unreasonable speeds, almost unreasonable precautions would need to be taken to ensure safety - and to provide an adequate defence if the unthinkable did happen. Adam certainly seems to have taken that burden seriously (in this layman's eyes) even if another would demand a closed and swept race track or that such speeds should not be attempted at all.
An idiot doing 100mph weaving in and out of rush hour traffic is immeasurably more dangerous than Adam's 200mph run at night.
However, kinetic energy is exponentially larger at 200mph so the responsibility and burden of travelling at that speed is therefore going to be greater... at almost unreasonable speeds, almost unreasonable precautions would need to be taken to ensure safety - and to provide an adequate defence if the unthinkable did happen. Adam certainly seems to have taken that burden seriously (in this layman's eyes) even if another would demand a closed and swept race track or that such speeds should not be attempted at all.
Having been in a car that has suffered a motorway speed blow out and been in an out of control car at over 100mph I would have to say that the consequences of being in the same situation at 200mph doesn't bear thinking about no matter who was driving. I sure those with experience will attest to how difficult it can be to recover from such situations.
As for the risk, while it may be very small for the driver and passenger and even less for third parties, it is not true to say there is no risk at all. Whether you consider any potential risk to a third party just so another can have fun, as being acceptable is a matter of conscience.
You can't have it both ways regarding the driver’s skill. If skill is required to drive that fast then lack of skill may well be a component in any loss of control. No one is perfect.
You can't argue with the physics of travelling at 200mph. The KE of a car increases with the square of the speed and hence the higher the speed the correspondingly much more difficult it is to contain the energy of the car if the unfortunate does occur.
As for the risk, while it may be very small for the driver and passenger and even less for third parties, it is not true to say there is no risk at all. Whether you consider any potential risk to a third party just so another can have fun, as being acceptable is a matter of conscience.
You can't have it both ways regarding the driver’s skill. If skill is required to drive that fast then lack of skill may well be a component in any loss of control. No one is perfect.
You can't argue with the physics of travelling at 200mph. The KE of a car increases with the square of the speed and hence the higher the speed the correspondingly much more difficult it is to contain the energy of the car if the unfortunate does occur.
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