996 gt3 rs info ?
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Can anyone with experience help me with these questions?
I'm thinking about getting an RS , it will be a second car used for weekends and i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
Thx all
I'm thinking about getting an RS , it will be a second car used for weekends and i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
Thx all
Edited by fuji on Sunday 3rd September 11:17
GT3RS values will fall like a stone to 50ishK. Oversupply and lardy. Only available in white! Check out Mk1 prices( sub 40 and fall......................ing).
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Vesuvius 996 said:
After much fannying about I have decided that a GT3RS is next on the list. They seem to be unwanted for some reason, thought hey are poabably a bit harsh for most.
I agree that prices will soon be around £50k. As soon as it starts with a "4" I'm having one!
I agree that prices will soon be around £50k. As soon as it starts with a "4" I'm having one!
Would you be happy to live with it as an everyday drive?
chfs911 said:
GT3RS values will fall like a stone to 50ishK. Oversupply and lardy. Only available in white! Check out Mk1 prices( sub 40 and fall......................ing).
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Complete and utter twaddle. This is the most rediculous post ive read all year. Come back KAYC all is forgive.
Utter rubbish
[quote=fuji]I'm thinking about getting an RS , it will be a second car used for weekends and i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
quote]
Provided that you don't plan to sit in traffic (can be tiring) it is perfectly okay as a road car, but bear in mind that GT3s (and anything low with stiff suspension) hate speed bumps - it is strictly walking pace over them if you don't want to hear the sound of the splitter grounding and the pain in the suspension.
I agree that the prices have a bit more to fall. I can see the RSs ending up as only a couple of grand over a normal GT3 (mk2) simply on the grounds of the colour alone (for all of its advocates, the majority of the motoring public really do not like white). The way that things are going, I would guess at ~£60k would seem a good target price over the next few months depending upon whether you get it privately or from an OPC.
The PCCB thing has been done to death everywhere. The simply guideline it simply do not pay a premium for it. There is every reason to expect that they will be good for 60k miles or more, but it is possible to kill them in 1500 or a visit to a gravel trap if you are really unlucky. If the worst happens you are facing £2k-2.5k in parts to swap them to iron. Replacing a full set of PCCBs and pads at an OPC costs about as much as a new Ford Focus. The cheapest [hypothetical] option is that I have seen the parts kit to upgrade a 996 to PCCB (which should have everything that you need) for about £6500 on a Dutch web site...
IMHO the only thing that I would call a must have is a Porsche warranty in case the really expensive bits were to have a major issue, though there are many who would disagree. Avoid the [very few] ones that had the aircon deleted though.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
quote]
Provided that you don't plan to sit in traffic (can be tiring) it is perfectly okay as a road car, but bear in mind that GT3s (and anything low with stiff suspension) hate speed bumps - it is strictly walking pace over them if you don't want to hear the sound of the splitter grounding and the pain in the suspension.
I agree that the prices have a bit more to fall. I can see the RSs ending up as only a couple of grand over a normal GT3 (mk2) simply on the grounds of the colour alone (for all of its advocates, the majority of the motoring public really do not like white). The way that things are going, I would guess at ~£60k would seem a good target price over the next few months depending upon whether you get it privately or from an OPC.
The PCCB thing has been done to death everywhere. The simply guideline it simply do not pay a premium for it. There is every reason to expect that they will be good for 60k miles or more, but it is possible to kill them in 1500 or a visit to a gravel trap if you are really unlucky. If the worst happens you are facing £2k-2.5k in parts to swap them to iron. Replacing a full set of PCCBs and pads at an OPC costs about as much as a new Ford Focus. The cheapest [hypothetical] option is that I have seen the parts kit to upgrade a 996 to PCCB (which should have everything that you need) for about £6500 on a Dutch web site...
IMHO the only thing that I would call a must have is a Porsche warranty in case the really expensive bits were to have a major issue, though there are many who would disagree. Avoid the [very few] ones that had the aircon deleted though.
chfs911 said:
GT3RS values will fall like a stone to 50ishK. Oversupply and lardy. Only available in white! Check out Mk1 prices( sub 40 and fall......................ing).
I don't think so! The advent of the 997GT3 is depressing prices *slightly*, but give a few months/next year and imho
RHD Mk1s will settle around 45k
RHD Mk2s around 50k
RSes around 60k
Only poor/leggy/LHD Mk1s are going for less.
polarexpress said:
chfs911 said:
GT3RS values will fall like a stone to 50ishK. Oversupply and lardy. Only available in white! Check out Mk1 prices( sub 40 and fall......................ing).
I don't think so! The advent of the 997GT3 is depressing prices *slightly*, but give a few months/next year and imho
RHD Mk1s will settle around 45k
RHD Mk2s around 50k
RSes around 60k
Only poor/leggy/LHD Mk1s are going for less.
I`m not sure RS prices will fall to "a couple of grand premium over a normal GT3" The RS has some fundamental differences, especially to the suspension which means it works properly. You also get some lovely carbon fibre bits which are worth the difference on their own !
As for GT3 prices in general "falling like a stone" where the hell do you buy your cars from. If you want a log book with the car / don`t like the thought that someone`s body parts may still be languishing in some far flung cavity following the accident, then you`ll not be having a great deal of change out of £45k for a Mk1 GT3, and that won`t be falling too far in the future trust me. Yes, a 2004 normal GT3 at circa £60k looks expensive. I think Mk1 and Mk2 GT3 cars will end up selling for the same amount as they get older.
I don`t know how much of a premium you`ll have to pay for an RS in the future but if I was a guessing man I`d say circa £10k plus like for like. Certainly not £2k.
Ultimately the GT3 is one of those rare cars that could, in theory, even go up in price at some stage, stranger things have happened : 2.7 RS, 3.2 Clubsport, 964 RS, 993 RS.....
Oh, and the fact they were only available in white making a difference ? Do you actually know what a GT3 RS is or do you think it`s a run out special edition with fiesta finesse stripes and coloured wheels !
Madder than cheese some of you lot......
Keep smiling
Henry
As for GT3 prices in general "falling like a stone" where the hell do you buy your cars from. If you want a log book with the car / don`t like the thought that someone`s body parts may still be languishing in some far flung cavity following the accident, then you`ll not be having a great deal of change out of £45k for a Mk1 GT3, and that won`t be falling too far in the future trust me. Yes, a 2004 normal GT3 at circa £60k looks expensive. I think Mk1 and Mk2 GT3 cars will end up selling for the same amount as they get older.
I don`t know how much of a premium you`ll have to pay for an RS in the future but if I was a guessing man I`d say circa £10k plus like for like. Certainly not £2k.
Ultimately the GT3 is one of those rare cars that could, in theory, even go up in price at some stage, stranger things have happened : 2.7 RS, 3.2 Clubsport, 964 RS, 993 RS.....
Oh, and the fact they were only available in white making a difference ? Do you actually know what a GT3 RS is or do you think it`s a run out special edition with fiesta finesse stripes and coloured wheels !
Madder than cheese some of you lot......
Keep smiling
Henry
They did make quite few of them though Henry compared to regular Porsche lightweight rhd production numbers.
I heard of an '04, 6k mile Gt3RS going through the trade for £57k last month........
I can't relly see the trade bid being under £50k for a good while....18 mths perhaps?
This means a private GT3RS may be available low to mid £50k's.......997 Gt3/ Rs is iminent (at last) and it will cost you £85-95K to own one of the new vrsions,,,making the old look like pretty good value.
As an aside a 964 NGT is a reasonable bet,,,but then again they did make 292 off them...allegedly
I heard of an '04, 6k mile Gt3RS going through the trade for £57k last month........
I can't relly see the trade bid being under £50k for a good while....18 mths perhaps?
This means a private GT3RS may be available low to mid £50k's.......997 Gt3/ Rs is iminent (at last) and it will cost you £85-95K to own one of the new vrsions,,,making the old look like pretty good value.
As an aside a 964 NGT is a reasonable bet,,,but then again they did make 292 off them...allegedly
Edited by clubsport on Sunday 3rd September 13:49
The 997 GT3 makes the 996 versions seem like good value for money IMO. A normally spec'd 997 GT3 can easily come in at £85k, and hit £90k. I just paid around £53k for a black Mk2 GT3 (14k miles) and I'm happy with that. If it was a weekend/regular track car, would have happily gone with RS at about £7k plus extra.
Not much point in losing sleep over fairly low depreciatation on these cars, it's far less than most cars, once they are over 2/3 yrs old at least.
Not much point in losing sleep over fairly low depreciatation on these cars, it's far less than most cars, once they are over 2/3 yrs old at least.
henry-f said:
Oh, and the fact they were only available in white making a difference ? Do you actually know what a GT3 RS is or do you think it`s a run out special edition with fiesta finesse stripes and coloured wheels !
GT3 RS. White with a choice of two stripe/detailing colours. Carbon rear wing, mirrors & bonnet, lightweight rear screen, single mass flywheel, crankcase breather, slightly different front PU, different rollcage and some different suspension components to homologate motorsport parts (the big ticket item on the differences), otherwise much the same as a Mk2 CS. I think that is all, though I may have missed a couple of details...
Okay I was being a little blase there, but where I was coming from is that I do not think that the RSs are rare enough (in terms of pure numbers relative the the numbers of vanilla GT3s) to command a significant enthusiast/collectors premium. Even now, RSs are always available and seem to spend longer on the market than a speed yellow in winter. For someone who wants a GT3 and isn't going to do a significant amount of track time (I will leave it to the Titanic boys to comment, but I think about £1k/day is the cost of tracking one of these), most of the differences of the RS are actually disadvantages, and to such a buyer colour will be a factor [as will mileage - like it or not Henry : people are not rational, they like numbers even if they don't understand the significance of them
]. All IMHO of course, but I am just a car buyer (who trousered up the readies for a GT3 this very year after much procrastination and 3 months of checking the market for GT3s every day in the front half of the year), not a car dealer. I would float the point that what you want to sell them for and what we want to buy them for meets in the middle somewhere ...
Edited by DiscoColin on Sunday 3rd September 17:54
chfs911 said:
Ok, so the bank can get robbed and hey you can get red or blue stickers for your GT3RS but the rest is fact!
Judgement day approaches so we will see!
Judgement day approaches so we will see!
Sorry, t
tting around a few cones and the smallest circuit in the country is hardly judgement day. It pisses me off when people who don't know what they are talking about make judgements about other cars. You clearly have a short memory, the 964RS was similarly talked down by people who didn't know what they were talking about and residuals are only just recovering.
The Parr GT3RS weighs 1330KG with no weight saving measures) and has 397BHP. Thats circa 40KG more than a 993RS but with almost 100 extra BHP.
If you want to big up prices of air cooled cars, thats your choice but please don't talk down any body elses.
clubsport said:
They did make quite few of them though Henry compared to regular Porsche lightweight rhd production numbers.
I heard of an '04, 6k mile Gt3RS going through the trade for £57k last month........
I can't relly see the trade bid being under £50k for a good while....18 mths perhaps?
This means a private GT3RS may be available low to mid £50k's.......997 Gt3/ Rs is iminent (at last) and it will cost you £85-95K to own one of the new vrsions,,,making the old look like pretty good value.
As an aside a 964 NGT is a reasonable bet,,,but then again they did make 292 off them...allegedly
I heard of an '04, 6k mile Gt3RS going through the trade for £57k last month........
I can't relly see the trade bid being under £50k for a good while....18 mths perhaps?
This means a private GT3RS may be available low to mid £50k's.......997 Gt3/ Rs is iminent (at last) and it will cost you £85-95K to own one of the new vrsions,,,making the old look like pretty good value.
As an aside a 964 NGT is a reasonable bet,,,but then again they did make 292 off them...allegedly
Edited by clubsport on Sunday 3rd September 13:49
In total (both lhd and rhd) very few 996RS's were made so lets not start that boring old chestnut again
Boring old chestnut??? Doesn't take anything away from the Gt3RS being a great car, just a fact! and possibly relevent to someone enquiring about GT3 RS info.
Porsche bought 119 rhd Gt3RS and 41 rhd 993RS into the UK for example.
Both truly great cars, but I reckon if there had been less than 50 rhd GT3RS they would be well bid at £70k+ now, Porsche made them too good that almost everyone wanted one!
Steve, the relevent point is current residuals being due to volume rather than taking anything away from the Gt3RS considerable ability.
Porsche bought 119 rhd Gt3RS and 41 rhd 993RS into the UK for example.
Both truly great cars, but I reckon if there had been less than 50 rhd GT3RS they would be well bid at £70k+ now, Porsche made them too good that almost everyone wanted one!
Steve, the relevent point is current residuals being due to volume rather than taking anything away from the Gt3RS considerable ability.
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