996 gt3 rs info ?
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Driving on the roads with occasional track use was the requirement.
I would have thought that a GT3 would be infinitely superior to a 964RS thingy which has a well earned reputation for being, unforgiving.
And now rather old.
Gt3 Mk1, GT3 MkII, or GT3 MkII RS ? The choice is yours.
Mk I's have been around the block a few times. Less power. poorer brakes. Weak syncro ?
RS's are maybe a little low (GT3MkII -10mm)--- and white with tattoos !
I chose a GT3 MkII.
As for future values ? Smile. What else will leave you with 60% ++ of it's value after three years ?
I would have thought that a GT3 would be infinitely superior to a 964RS thingy which has a well earned reputation for being, unforgiving.
And now rather old.
Gt3 Mk1, GT3 MkII, or GT3 MkII RS ? The choice is yours.
Mk I's have been around the block a few times. Less power. poorer brakes. Weak syncro ?
RS's are maybe a little low (GT3MkII -10mm)--- and white with tattoos !
I chose a GT3 MkII.
As for future values ? Smile. What else will leave you with 60% ++ of it's value after three years ?
steve rance said:
[quote=chfs911]the 964RS was similarly talked down by people who didn't know what they were talking about and residuals are only just recovering.
964RS prices have been heading steadily north for 6+ years. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that anything that we saddos post here will have any effect on car prices
ChrisW. said:
I would have thought that a GT3 would be infinitely superior to a 964RS thingy which has a well earned reputation for being, unforgiving.
If the aim is to get around a track the quickest then a GT3 is a step forwards. It has better brakes, handling and more power (and unfortunately more weight too) - it's faster, in the right hands. It is the result of many years of additional development.
You could ask wheter it is any more enjoyable than a 964, or a 993 - that is a matter of taste.
I think most people would be surprised how little faster a GT3 is than a 964RS - but it IS faster.
fuji said:
Can anyone with experience help me with these questions?
I'm thinking about getting an RS , it will be a second car used for weekends and i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
I'm thinking about getting an RS , it will be a second car used for weekends and i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
1) Is this car suitable for road use or is it too extreme and should be a simple trackday toy ?
2) Looking at prices it seems that i could get a nice one for £65000 do you think prices will fall significantly with the launch of the 997 gt3 or do you think prices will hold ?
3) Most ive seen on the net come with PCCB and i understand these are very expensive to replace , what should i be looking for if i get a version with these brakes (cracks, warranty ) and how much would it cost to change to steels ?
4) Is there anything i should be looking out for when i go to look at some vehicles / or must have options ?
1) Low ride height, limited wheel travel and very firm springs/dampers = a track biased car. Having said that I love driving mine on all but the worst B roads. I've been commuting into central London in it for the last 12 months quite happily. It was awesome on the roads to Le Mans and fantastic in north Wales. In summary, sensational on track and smooth roads, not great on bumpy potholed b roads.
2) See Polarexpress's comments - spot on.
3) Lots of recent threads on this topic including this one.
4) Obviously a large percentage of these cars will have been frequently tracked so buy on condition. Make sure you a Porsche warranty.
I think the 260bhp RS may struggle to keep a GT 3 behind BUT most 964s are sitting with a bit more bhp than that.
Ultimately, the final 964RSR at 1000kg and as much as 375bhp mullers the standard GT3RS.
I have driven and been in a 3.8RSR that has easily despatched Cup 996 cars.
With the same driver I suspect there would be little in the lap times for extra 10years development.
At Spa 2.45 is the benchmark for 3.8 RSR and GT3RS( with Steve driving)
Ultimately, the final 964RSR at 1000kg and as much as 375bhp mullers the standard GT3RS.
I have driven and been in a 3.8RSR that has easily despatched Cup 996 cars.
With the same driver I suspect there would be little in the lap times for extra 10years development.
At Spa 2.45 is the benchmark for 3.8 RSR and GT3RS( with Steve driving)
steve rance said:
Sorry, t
tting around a few cones and the smallest circuit in the country is hardly judgement day. Bit controversial, but ultimately very true. Not that you'd think it by the comments on the PCGB Forum and the large amount of GT3 bashing spouted on there .
Quite why anyone would suggest a 964 N-GT mainly for road use beggars belief...........
Having owned 3 964 RSs, I think I can safely say on a billiard table smooth road they are a truly superb car, on anything less they are hard work and not that quick.
As a track car a 964 Clubsport, a 3.8 RSR, or Cup car are doubtless excellent , but comparing a roadgoing MK 1 or 2 GT3 with all its luxury trappings and safety equipment to one of the former isn't comparing apples with apples
(Somehow this thread seems to have degenerated into the old 964RS /GT3, which is quicker around a track drivel that makes the PCGB Forum such a tedious place to visit)
The GT3 might not be as "pure" a driving experience, but I know which I'd rather drive on the road for the 98 % of the time it's not being used on trackdays............. and it ain't aircooled !
I really don't understand why people feel the need to predict ever lower prices for cars they don't own. The fact is that the GT3RS has held up very well in price and will continue to do so.
I have driven a GT3RS on the road and it was a great car, if you are going to do a mixture of road and track work then I can't think of anything more suitable, it will also suffer from very little depreciation because it is undoubtedly a true Porsche classic.
I have driven a GT3RS on the road and it was a great car, if you are going to do a mixture of road and track work then I can't think of anything more suitable, it will also suffer from very little depreciation because it is undoubtedly a true Porsche classic.
Does 119 cars (less written off / vanished ones / ones that are just plain horrible as they get older) constitute over supply on a car that whilst a joy on track is quite happy driving on normal roads. A core of say 40 -50 cars that will simply never come onto the market, 20 cars no longer with us, 50-60 cars that change hands every 2-3 years. 20 cars a year that come on the market. Take 1-2 months to sell. 3 to 5 cars on the market at any time.
The caveat here is that there will be some cars languishing with dealers on a sale or return basis that can be sold if the owner gets back some rediculous figure, so although they are on the market they`ll never sell !
I think the GT3 appeals to quite a broad audience, certainly one far beyond a pure trackday market. You forget there are people who like the idea their car is a race car even if they never race it.
Henry
The caveat here is that there will be some cars languishing with dealers on a sale or return basis that can be sold if the owner gets back some rediculous figure, so although they are on the market they`ll never sell !
I think the GT3 appeals to quite a broad audience, certainly one far beyond a pure trackday market. You forget there are people who like the idea their car is a race car even if they never race it.
Henry
henry-f said:
Does 119 cars (less written off / vanished ones / ones that are just plain horrible as they get older) constitute over supply on a car that whilst a joy on track is quite happy driving on normal roads. A core of say 40 -50 cars that will simply never come onto the market, 20 cars no longer with us, 50-60 cars that change hands every 2-3 years. 20 cars a year that come on the market. Take 1-2 months to sell. 3 to 5 cars on the market at any time.
The caveat here is that there will be some cars languishing with dealers on a sale or return basis that can be sold if the owner gets back some rediculous figure, so although they are on the market they`ll never sell !
I think the GT3 appeals to quite a broad audience, certainly one far beyond a pure trackday market. You forget there are people who like the idea their car is a race car even if they never race it.
Henry
The caveat here is that there will be some cars languishing with dealers on a sale or return basis that can be sold if the owner gets back some rediculous figure, so although they are on the market they`ll never sell !
I think the GT3 appeals to quite a broad audience, certainly one far beyond a pure trackday market. You forget there are people who like the idea their car is a race car even if they never race it.
Henry
Some sense at last!
There's not a damn thing wrong with that post. Trade bid from an OPC is an irrelevance - when will people realise this.
P.S. FOR GOD SAKE.... GT3RS is a BETTER road car than a MK2!!!!!!! It seems to me, with a few exceptions that a lot of people commenting have never driven both cars (or OWNED both - like me).
henry-f said:
You forget there are people who like the idea their car is a race car even if they never race it.
spot on - I would hazard a guess that 80% of GT3 and 50% of GT3RS never see a track...
fuji said:
i will mainly be driving the vehicle on roads with the occasional track day.
....which is why I find questions like this a bit odd. That is the perfect profile for GT3 ownership. An RS would surely be better if you want a track day car that was practical enough to drive some distance to the track and in all weathers.
Edited by adam b on Monday 4th September 13:33
steve rance said:
chfs911 said:
GT3RS values will fall like a stone to 50ishK. Oversupply and lardy. Only available in white! Check out Mk1 prices( sub 40 and fall......................ing).
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Put your money in a safe place
1. The bank
2. 964 N-GT cost about the same but values are going up the way.
Much better car to drive and has all the creature comforts one needs. You can sing can't you?
Maybe Carreraboy will comment on his experence in a N-GT?
Charles
Complete and utter twaddle. This is the most rediculous post ive read all year. Come back KAYC all is forgive.
Utter rubbish
davyboy said:
I'd suggest my Astra is a better road car than a GT3 RS.
Seriously!
Seriously!
Edited by davyboy on Monday 4th September 15:39
you've clearly never driven one then. I have done 11,000 road miles in mine now, and having owned over 15 "nice" cars in my motoring history, not one of them comes close (and I mean on the road as well as the track).
gt said:
davyboy said:
I'd suggest my Astra is a better road car than a GT3 RS.
Seriously!
Seriously!
Edited by davyboy on Monday 4th September 15:39
you've clearly never driven one then. I have done 11,000 road miles in mine now, and having owned over 15 "nice" cars in my motoring history, not one of them comes close (and I mean on the road as well as the track).
Edited by kayc on Monday 4th September 15:55
kayc said:
I think 15 cars 'nice 'cars gives you zero qualification to comment..gt3/rs great track cars but rubbish on the road...they will not sniff a sorted evo or scooby on the road or offer the same level of useability..and to compare them 'on road ' with a tt is ridiculous.
errrrrr.... How else do you expect to be able to give an objective view on something other than to have driven cars which could be regarded as it's peer group??
As for your comment on the TT, had one, bored me to death. What do you want from a road car?, something that will transport you from A to B in dull comfort, or something exciting enough to make driving still feel special, whilst still being about comfortable enough to live with day to day?.
Personally i'm not quite ready to be drawing my pension yet. When i do....
Edited by gt on Monday 4th September 15:53
Edited by gt on Monday 4th September 15:53
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