996 gt3 rs info ?
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gt said:
kayc said:
I think 15 cars 'nice 'cars gives you zero qualification to comment..gt3/rs great track cars but rubbish on the road...they will not sniff a sorted evo or scooby on the road or offer the same level of useability..and to compare them 'on road ' with a tt is ridiculous.
errrrrr.... How else do you expect to be able to give an objective view on something other than to have driven cars which could be regarded as it's peer group??
As for your comment on the TT, had one, bored me to death. What do you want from a road car?, something that will transport you from A to B in dull comfort, or something exciting enough to make driving still feel special, whilst still being about comfortable enough to live with day to day?.
Personally i'm not quite ready to be drawing my pension yet. When i do....
Edited by gt on Monday 4th September 15:53
Edited by gt on Monday 4th September 15:53
[quote=kayc
As ive said before, driving a mk1 lotus cortina is fun but im not sure whether its very quick or not..lack of control also adds a certain fear factor..,maybe the tt was too capable for your limits?[/quote]
You seem to be contradicting yourself here, you have just made my point for me.
Fun is what driving should be about, yes a lotus cortina is enormous fun, and who gives a stuff whether it's quick or not on public roads?, at no point did I say the RS was the quickest road car i've owned, I said it was the best. For me best means the thrill of driving, not going like sh*t off a shovel in a straight line and relying on traction control and 4wd to get you round the 1st corner.
As ive said before, driving a mk1 lotus cortina is fun but im not sure whether its very quick or not..lack of control also adds a certain fear factor..,maybe the tt was too capable for your limits?[/quote]
You seem to be contradicting yourself here, you have just made my point for me.
Fun is what driving should be about, yes a lotus cortina is enormous fun, and who gives a stuff whether it's quick or not on public roads?, at no point did I say the RS was the quickest road car i've owned, I said it was the best. For me best means the thrill of driving, not going like sh*t off a shovel in a straight line and relying on traction control and 4wd to get you round the 1st corner.
davyboy said:
gt said:
What do you want from a road car?, something that will transport you from A to B in dull comfort
That's certainly my requirement!
Add in fuel economy, cheap tyres, 4 doors and room for a weeks worth of family luggage and thats the "road car" for me!
So if your idea of your ideal road car is the above, why are you hanging around on a porsche forum
theres a motorsports and trackday forum for racing, and a vauxhall section for the above..gt said:
davyboy said:
I'd suggest my Astra is a better road car than a GT3 RS.
Seriously!
Seriously!
Edited by davyboy on Monday 4th September 15:39
you've clearly never driven one then. I have done 11,000 road miles in mine now, and having owned over 15 "nice" cars in my motoring history, not one of them comes close (and I mean on the road as well as the track).
Not this old chestnut again......
It's probably fair to say the softer suspension of a TT makes a quicker car in many normal road situations. But driving on the road isn't about setting lap times and *some* people prefer the GT3 for it's purer drive with 2WD and N/A engine. I'd get a Lotus Cortina instead if I could find a good'un.
......I like them both (GT3 and TT, well most 911's in fact).
P.S. Are Porsche drivers the most argumentative in the world? Dunno but sure is funny at times.
It's probably fair to say the softer suspension of a TT makes a quicker car in many normal road situations. But driving on the road isn't about setting lap times and *some* people prefer the GT3 for it's purer drive with 2WD and N/A engine. I'd get a Lotus Cortina instead if I could find a good'un.
......I like them both (GT3 and TT, well most 911's in fact). P.S. Are Porsche drivers the most argumentative in the world? Dunno but sure is funny at times.
gt said:
So if your idea of your ideal road car is the above, why are you hanging around on a porsche forum
theres a motorsports and trackday forum for racing, and a vauxhall section for the above..That's "my requiments" of a road car, I have ideas for fast road/track cars too, look at my profile.
Pugsey said:
gt said:
davyboy said:
I'd suggest my Astra is a better road car than a GT3 RS.
Seriously!
Seriously!
Edited by davyboy on Monday 4th September 15:39
you've clearly never driven one then. I have done 11,000 road miles in mine now, and having owned over 15 "nice" cars in my motoring history, not one of them comes close (and I mean on the road as well as the track).
I couldn't agree more. It's down to what you want from a car. I also have a clio trophy which runs the RS a close second as most fun, and i'd rather drive that than a lot of cars 5 times it's price.
Being a forum for motoring "enthusiasts" I would have thought fun was what most people aspire to.
davyboy said:
gt said:
So if your idea of your ideal road car is the above, why are you hanging around on a porsche forum
theres a motorsports and trackday forum for racing, and a vauxhall section for the above..That's "my requiments" of a road car, I have ideas for fast road/track cars too, look at my profile.
I can see your profile, you seem to be saying you prefer driving your astra to your 944 on a daily basis, not something I would do given the choice, but as said above - hey ho - each to their own.
Edited by gt on Monday 4th September 16:18
AL001 said:
Not this old chestnut again......
It's probably fair to say the softer suspension of a TT makes a quicker car in many normal road situations. But driving on the road isn't about setting lap times and *some* people prefer the GT3 for it's purer drive with 2WD and N/A engine. I'd get a Lotus Cortina instead if I could find a good'un.......I like them both (GT3 and TT, well most 911's in fact).
P.S. Are Porsche drivers the most argumentative in the world? Dunno but sure is funny at times.
TT road performance is nothing to do with 4wd/grip...its all about torque..that is what makes a quick road car..gt3's/360 ferraris/430 ferraris have huge grip ,handling and brakes..but not enough torque to stay with a tt,scooby,evo on the road...you need power instantly otherwise we would all drive elise/exiges..It's probably fair to say the softer suspension of a TT makes a quicker car in many normal road situations. But driving on the road isn't about setting lap times and *some* people prefer the GT3 for it's purer drive with 2WD and N/A engine. I'd get a Lotus Cortina instead if I could find a good'un.
......I like them both (GT3 and TT, well most 911's in fact). P.S. Are Porsche drivers the most argumentative in the world? Dunno but sure is funny at times.
kayc said:
its all about torque..that is what makes a quick road car..gt3's/360 ferraris/430 ferraris have huge grip ,handling and brakes..but not enough torque to stay with a tt,scooby,evo on the road...you need power instantly otherwise we would all drive elise/exiges..
Kayc, I think you're getting yourself slightly onfused here. Several of the cars in your list produce similar amounts of torque, but do so at different points in the rev range. Your requirement for 'instant' power is possible in any car, but in some cars, e.g. 430, this may be available far higher up the rev range than a non NA car can muster. The slug of torque delivered by a low lag/anti lag turbo charged car is very addictive, but this can be achieved without the aid of a turbo, but using more revs.....
I'm not sure that 'torque makes a quick road car'. I think a number of factors come into the equation. My caterham has only 155 lb ft, but could slaughter your TT down most roads for example!!
As ever, it's horses for courses. We all enjoy what we drive, otherwise we wouldn't bother driving at all.
fergus said:
kayc said:
its all about torque..that is what makes a quick road car..gt3's/360 ferraris/430 ferraris have huge grip ,handling and brakes..but not enough torque to stay with a tt,scooby,evo on the road...you need power instantly otherwise we would all drive elise/exiges..
Kayc, I think you're getting yourself slightly onfused here. Several of the cars in your list produce similar amounts of torque, but do so at different points in the rev range. Your requirement for 'instant' power is possible in any car, but in some cars, e.g. 430, this may be available far higher up the rev range than a non NA car can muster. The slug of torque delivered by a low lag/anti lag turbo charged car is very addictive, but this can be achieved without the aid of a turbo, but using more revs.....
I'm not sure that 'torque makes a quick road car'. I think a number of factors come into the equation. My caterham has only 155 lb ft, but could slaughter your TT down most roads for example!!
As ever, it's horses for courses. We all enjoy what we drive, otherwise we wouldn't bother driving at all.
Edited by kayc on Monday 4th September 16:33
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
I'm more of a GT3 - RS or otherwise - man myself and agree that they have more immediate 'character' than the tt but was in a tt on a derestricted road in Germany not so long ago. Dull?? I don't think so!!! And my gran definitely wouldn't have wanted to be there. Seems to me that in their eagerness to promote the virtues of the GT3 - and they are many - people always go one step to far in knocking the tt. Seriously wonder if they actually used the right pedal sometimes.Pugsey said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
I'm more of a GT3 - RS or otherwise - man myself and agree that they have more immediate 'character' than the tt but was in a tt on a derestricted road in Germany not so long ago. Dull?? I don't think so!!! And my gran definitely wouldn't have wanted to be there. Seems to me that in their eagerness to promote the virtues of the GT3 - and they are many - people always go one step to far in knocking the tt. Seriously wonder if they actually used the right pedal sometimes.
Surely not, the tt is sooo boring..kayc said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
If the tt is boring what does that say a about the hugely revered 996 c4s?I never drove the 996 C4S so I can't speak intelligently about it. I imagine it feels like a 996 TT with less power but the benefit of any naturally aspirated engine?
kayc said:
Pugsey said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
I'm more of a GT3 - RS or otherwise - man myself and agree that they have more immediate 'character' than the tt but was in a tt on a derestricted road in Germany not so long ago. Dull?? I don't think so!!! And my gran definitely wouldn't have wanted to be there. Seems to me that in their eagerness to promote the virtues of the GT3 - and they are many - people always go one step to far in knocking the tt. Seriously wonder if they actually used the right pedal sometimes.Surely not, the tt is sooo boring..JFT said:
kayc said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
If the tt is boring what does that say a about the hugely revered 996 c4s?I never drove the 996 C4S so I can't speak intelligently about it. I imagine it feels like a 996 TT with less power but the benefit of any naturally aspirated engine?
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