996 gt3 rs info ?
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kayc said:
JFT said:
kayc said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
If the tt is boring what does that say a about the hugely revered 996 c4s?I never drove the 996 C4S so I can't speak intelligently about it. I imagine it feels like a 996 TT with less power but the benefit of any naturally aspirated engine?
kayc said:
fergus said:
kayc said:
its all about torque..that is what makes a quick road car..gt3's/360 ferraris/430 ferraris have huge grip ,handling and brakes..but not enough torque to stay with a tt,scooby,evo on the road...you need power instantly otherwise we would all drive elise/exiges..
Kayc, I think you're getting yourself slightly onfused here. Several of the cars in your list produce similar amounts of torque, but do so at different points in the rev range. Your requirement for 'instant' power is possible in any car, but in some cars, e.g. 430, this may be available far higher up the rev range than a non NA car can muster. The slug of torque delivered by a low lag/anti lag turbo charged car is very addictive, but this can be achieved without the aid of a turbo, but using more revs.....
I'm not sure that 'torque makes a quick road car'. I think a number of factors come into the equation. My caterham has only 155 lb ft, but could slaughter your TT down most roads for example!!
As ever, it's horses for courses. We all enjoy what we drive, otherwise we wouldn't bother driving at all.
er, any B road, or twisty A road? Exept, not if it's p1ssing down with rain, or really really cold as I have no windscreen! I will also gladly take on your car at the Ring, which call it a track or not, is where alot of manufacturers hone their *ROADCAR* suspension geo, spring rates, etc.
fergus said:
kayc said:
fergus said:
kayc said:
its all about torque..that is what makes a quick road car..gt3's/360 ferraris/430 ferraris have huge grip ,handling and brakes..but not enough torque to stay with a tt,scooby,evo on the road...you need power instantly otherwise we would all drive elise/exiges..
Kayc, I think you're getting yourself slightly onfused here. Several of the cars in your list produce similar amounts of torque, but do so at different points in the rev range. Your requirement for 'instant' power is possible in any car, but in some cars, e.g. 430, this may be available far higher up the rev range than a non NA car can muster. The slug of torque delivered by a low lag/anti lag turbo charged car is very addictive, but this can be achieved without the aid of a turbo, but using more revs.....
I'm not sure that 'torque makes a quick road car'. I think a number of factors come into the equation. My caterham has only 155 lb ft, but could slaughter your TT down most roads for example!!
As ever, it's horses for courses. We all enjoy what we drive, otherwise we wouldn't bother driving at all.
er, any B road, or twisty A road? Exept, not if it's p1ssing down with rain, or really really cold as I have no windscreen! I will also gladly take on your car at the Ring, which call it a track or not, is where alot of manufacturers hone their *ROADCAR* suspension geo, spring rates, etc.
kayc said:
How about any road you choose in Norway,December time?
I will be sat at the side of the road, waving, ensuring no moose jump into your path interupting your progress.
Seriously though, if you don't want to take the car on track, and want a well developed all weather supercar, then the 996 TT is an obvious choice. I've not driven one, but imagine they are imensely capable cars. A good jack of all trades, but master of none (in extremis). Apologies for taking the thread off topic!
Edited by fergus on Monday 4th September 16:52
fergus said:
kayc said:
How about any road you choose in Norway,December time?
I will be sat at the side of the road, waving, ensuring no moose jump into your path interupting your progress.
Seriously though, if you don't want to take the car on track, and want a well developed all weather supercar, then the 996 TT is an obvious choice. I've not driven one, but imagine they are imensely capable cars. A good jack of all trades, but master of none (in extremis). Apologies for taking the thread off topic!
Edited by fergus on Monday 4th September 16:52
kayc said:
fergus said:
kayc said:
How about any road you choose in Norway,December time?
I will be sat at the side of the road, waving, ensuring no moose jump into your path interupting your progress.
Seriously though, if you don't want to take the car on track, and want a well developed all weather supercar, then the 996 TT is an obvious choice. I've not driven one, but imagine they are imensely capable cars. A good jack of all trades, but master of none (in extremis). Apologies for taking the thread off topic!
Edited by fergus on Monday 4th September 16:52
Just curious kayc - you have a 997TT on order?
JEBLondon said:
kayc said:
fergus said:
kayc said:
How about any road you choose in Norway,December time?
I will be sat at the side of the road, waving, ensuring no moose jump into your path interupting your progress.
Seriously though, if you don't want to take the car on track, and want a well developed all weather supercar, then the 996 TT is an obvious choice. I've not driven one, but imagine they are imensely capable cars. A good jack of all trades, but master of none (in extremis). Apologies for taking the thread off topic!
Edited by fergus on Monday 4th September 16:52
Just curious kayc - you have a 997TT on order?
interesting thread,i bought a GT 3 RS recently and have been looking at prices and cars for months.very good condition cars and low mileage (lets not start that debate) at well known dealers and OPC seem to go for late £60k's early seveties.paragon sold one recently,so has rsj i believe,an opc i know of also.Privately for this condition car not much difference asked,whether they get sold not sure.There are also heavily used tracked cars in not so good conditon going for less but did not go and see any but they were not advertised for less than £60k
also a point to note look at prices at OPC's in Germany,France and Italy,they seem to be to be holding up very well so i cannot see a flood of LHD coming over soon damaging RHD prices.
It is a shame some people like to continually undermine the value of these cars but without any real proof it seems to me other than hearsay
also a point to note look at prices at OPC's in Germany,France and Italy,they seem to be to be holding up very well so i cannot see a flood of LHD coming over soon damaging RHD prices.
It is a shame some people like to continually undermine the value of these cars but without any real proof it seems to me other than hearsay
kayc said:
JFT said:
I never drove the 996 C4S so I can't speak intelligently about it. I imagine it feels like a 996 TT with less power but the benefit of any naturally aspirated engine?
And the benefits of a n/a engine are?1. noise
2. slightly more immediate response to loud pedal at low revs
3. see 1.
(and I love the TT)
Pugsey said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
I'm more of a GT3 - RS or otherwise - man myself and agree that they have more immediate 'character' than the tt but was in a tt on a derestricted road in Germany not so long ago. Dull?? I don't think so!!! And my gran definitely wouldn't have wanted to be there. Seems to me that in their eagerness to promote the virtues of the GT3 - and they are many - people always go one step to far in knocking the tt. Seriously wonder if they actually used the right pedal sometimes.Accelerating on the Autobahn is not my idea of fun. If it's yours - that's great! Again, AMG Mercs do that really well.
kayc said:
JFT said:
kayc said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
If the tt is boring what does that say a about the hugely revered 996 c4s?I never drove the 996 C4S so I can't speak intelligently about it. I imagine it feels like a 996 TT with less power but the benefit of any naturally aspirated engine?
Not a serious question I presume? The benefits are obvious when driving a good one as I'm quite sure you know.
sorry guys have to disagree with some of you, first the rsgt3 seem to be holding there value very well,was looking to buy not so long ago. this time last year there were about 10 cars on opc locator,there are just two now,and all others sold. i tried to buy from a private seller in june, offered £63000, was told he would not sell for this sum! do a search. as to drive against a turbo,(which i owned) i thought the rs was fantastic much more raw and exciting. as for the colour, i would only want white. should have bought one. great car.
Edited by cayman-black on Monday 4th September 23:15
Joe911 said:
kayc said:
And the benefits of a n/a engine are?
... lost on much of the population. But who cares, it's their loss.
ah, what the hell, have a 
I am very much with Joe here, especially at the
part. cayman-black said:
... as for the colour, i would only want white. should have bought one. great car.
I would have bought one, if only it were not white.
Seriously - I like everything about it in principle, but logic catches up. I am not a good enough pedaller to reap the benefits of an RS vs a normal GT3 and as such couldn't bring myself to fork out a hefty premium for something in my third-least favourite car colour
...which is why [I would point out] that a ceramic anchored RS can now be had from an OPC for scarecely over than £5k more than a similar standard GT3 on the Pork used car search [the gap having narrowed by 3k in the 6 months since I bought my not-white car].
Sorry I have not joined in this debate as I was at North Weald
yesterday - It was Judgement day GT3 v Aircooled 964 RS/993 RS
we all had a great time but overall the GT3s won the event hands
down - there was 3 different disciplines over the course of the day
As for half you lot talking about living day to with GT3 RS and saying
you cant use them ... B**LOCKS
Ive done a total of 33K in one car and 11K in the other - the only roads a
Turbo would beat these cars is a back country lanes and no scooby or Evo has ever
overtaken me - Ive been all over Europe in these car and no car comes close bar a Carrera GT
Ive had a 996 Turbo and the RS is a better sharper tool on track and off track
as for Chf 911 - get a life mate - and where were you yesterday ?????
tim
tim
yesterday - It was Judgement day GT3 v Aircooled 964 RS/993 RS
we all had a great time but overall the GT3s won the event hands
down - there was 3 different disciplines over the course of the day
As for half you lot talking about living day to with GT3 RS and saying
you cant use them ... B**LOCKS
Ive done a total of 33K in one car and 11K in the other - the only roads a
Turbo would beat these cars is a back country lanes and no scooby or Evo has ever
overtaken me - Ive been all over Europe in these car and no car comes close bar a Carrera GT
Ive had a 996 Turbo and the RS is a better sharper tool on track and off track
as for Chf 911 - get a life mate - and where were you yesterday ?????
tim
tim
JFT said:
Pugsey said:
JFT said:
I have owned a TT, but driven both: In comparison the TT is a dull locomotive which my grandmother would also enjoy. Much like an AMG Mercedes. The RS is a much more vivid experience.
I'm more of a GT3 - RS or otherwise - man myself and agree that they have more immediate 'character' than the tt but was in a tt on a derestricted road in Germany not so long ago. Dull?? I don't think so!!! And my gran definitely wouldn't have wanted to be there. Seems to me that in their eagerness to promote the virtues of the GT3 - and they are many - people always go one step to far in knocking the tt. Seriously wonder if they actually used the right pedal sometimes.Accelerating on the Autobahn is not my idea of fun. If it's yours - that's great! Again, AMG Mercs do that really well.
Pugsey - lighten up. I also understand the TT. I used to own one for Christ sake. Given what you have on order I just found it odd that you felt compelled to side with this:
kayc said:
I think 15 cars 'nice 'cars gives you zero qualification to comment..gt3/rs great track cars but rubbish on the road...they will not sniff a sorted evo or scooby on the road or offer the same level of useability..and to compare them 'on road ' with a tt is ridiculous.The reason GT3RS's are getting cheaper is because no-one knows what the fuss is all about...well made? no..super quick?..no..comfortable? no...rare?..no..practical?..no...Good residuals?..no..etc.
Edited by kayc on Monday 4th September 15:55
Edited by JFT on Tuesday 5th September 11:12
What i never get with this GT3/tt arguments is that it is personal choice...having said that i never once had any passenger in my GT3 that said it felt quick..with the tt they cannot believe the amount of virtual unlimited push from the engine without any fuss...stick a non-porsche educated passenger in both cars and see what impresses them most.IMO the 996tt engine and its power delivery is equally as impressive as the rev happy nature of the gt3.
JFT. Sorry didn't mean to come across as Mr Grump! Certainly don't side with that kind of rant -although kayc's tongue may well have been in his cheek I guess. Just trying to see the other point of view really. Too much time on hands waiting for the dam GT3 production lines to start rolling I guess. Must admit the longer I wait the more I wonder whether I ought to resit the lure of being first with the latest shiney toy, save £20k and buy a 996RS as a sunny days and serious low depreciation track day tool and carry on tooling around in the X5dsport day to day. That would please some - after all it's a turbo'd four wheel drive beast isn't it............
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