Anyone used an independant or broker to sell their car.

[KTR]

I have my car up for sale on this site at the moment but I would be interested to hear if anyone has sold their car on a sale or return/commision basis with an independant or broker.

How much do they charge? Is it a flast fee or percentage?

If any delaers are reading the details of my car can be found here www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/103923.htm and the car will soon have its next service.

David.

[Henry-F]

Have a read of this. There is a lot on there with a very relevant section on sale or return.

www.911virgin.com/buyer.htm

Henry

[fidgits]

camtune offer sale or return for a 3k markup if it sells..

[supermono]

That is one beautiful car, over 500lbft of torque too.

It's a shame that wasn't about (for that price) when I bought mine. I keep swinging between getting the cash out of my turbo and doing something more sensible with it, and then seeing an X50 like yours and wondering about popping in another 10k and getting all X50'd up

Good luck with the sale.

SM

[paracetamol]

Used SOR very successfuly for 2 Porsches. Its the only way to sell them as there is virtually no demand from buyers for private sales and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

[Henry-F]

paracetamol said:

.....and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

Says who ?

We are very happy with the market at the moment thank you. If you`re not selling cars then possibly you need to look a little closer to home rather than blame "the market".

Phone off the wall today !

Henry

[kayc]

Henry-F said:

paracetamol said:

.....and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

Says who ?

We are very happy with the market at the moment thank you. If you`re not selling cars then possibly you need to look a little closer to home rather than blame "the market".

Phone off the wall today !

Henry

Says everyody who know as much about these cars as you!Henry i love that gt2 you have for sale..it has the history of a Bulgarian shoplifter on coke selling Rolex Daytonas in soho..good luck.I can just imagine my conversation with you if i wanted you to bid for it..

Edited by kayc on Thursday 19th October 15:10

[silver993tt]

With alot of used Porsches coming into reach of many more people now, I think that dealers don't really care if someone who buys a car doesn't come back to them in the future. The reason for this I think is that there are so many more people in the market for these cars now that the dealers can have a very nice business from a constant stream of 'green' punters. They find out after their first experience that they've lost a bucket load of cash. The dealers don't care because it's 'next in line please.....'.

Same for alot of businesses in the UK. Take for example the restaurant business. You'll pay twice as much on average in the UK for an equivalent meal as, for example, in Germany. Yet pay/wages aren't twice as high in the UK. How does that work then? I'll tell you, in Germany (and most of the rest of the continent) businesses are considered a long term investment unlike the UK. They exepect to make a small profit over a longer period. That means as they run their business they also provide a true reliable and good value service to their customers, both existing and new. There's the crux of it in the UK, the terms long term, service and good value.

Why do I pay 100GBP incl VAT for a superb wheel alignment job on my 993 turbo in germany where in the UK it costs at least 160 GBP PLUS VAT?

Short termism is rife in the UK, the stampede to make a quick buck and then get out (or at least stay in until you're rumbled) seems to be everywhere.

I got fed up with the general view of 'it was expensive but what a good job they did'. Sorry, I want 'a good job at a very reasonable price'. To get this I left the UK.

[truckpdt]

I purchased my recent 993 from Ray Northway. I was however in constant contact via email and phone with the current owner at the time who used Ray to sell the car for him. Now I don't know all the details, but the car cost 23800 of which I know for a fact the owner receive 23K. So Ray made 800 pounds less some money for a trip to the paintshopt (somy very minor work though). At one point Ray was happy for me to purchase the car direct from the original owner (as he'd been a good customer), but I missed the boat (long story) through not making my mind up and in the end I purchased from Ray as described. I thought it to be reasonable, but you would have to speak with Ray Northway direct to understand his terms and conditions and if this was a one off or not? www.northway.co.uk.

It's also worth keeping in mind that the insurance for the current owner had run out....and so putting it for sale via Ray was a good move as Ray was able to insure it under his collective car insurance.

Edited by truckpdt on Thursday 19th October 19:14

[KTR]

Do you have any contact deatils for Ray Northway as the link does not work?

[DucatiGary]

kayc said:

Henry i love that gt2 you have for sale..it has the history of a Bulgarian shoplifter on coke selling Rolex Daytonas in soho..good luck.I can just imagine my conversation with you if i wanted you to bid for it..

missed that one!

[Carlt]

Why you selling so soon David ?

[KTR]

Carl, just collected my 197 and I am really enjoying it at the moment. We are just about to start "playing" with it as well which I feel I cannot do with the Porsche. It is also going to be sat in the garage most of the winter which I think is a bit of a waste and would rather someone enjoy it for the superb car it is. My sensible head alsosays to invest in some more property as an investment for the growing family. A bit boring I know but I do fancy a new GT3 one day.

[boosted Ls1]

Be very careful if you intend to hand the car over. Use a proper dealer with a show room. In the past cars have been handed over and just used by Mr Dodgy & Co as a daily driver. So, no theft took place and Mr Dodgy just moved around the UK using his newly aquired fleet of prestige cars. It became a civil matter that went nowhere as proceedings couldn't be served.

Boosted.

[paracetamol]

Henry-F said:

paracetamol said:

.....and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

Says who ?

We are very happy with the market at the moment thank you. If you`re not selling cars then possibly you need to look a little closer to home rather than blame "the market".

Phone off the wall today !

Henry

Course you are happy..you are managing to pursuade sellers into thinking its impossible to sell a Porsche privately and scaring them away from sale or return. You are scaring buyers from buying privately. This is allowing a large margin-what's even better is that you are stocking "specialist" stock (funny colours, high miles, no climate etc etc) but managing to sell them at full whack because of all the scare mongering.

Having once been at the recieving end of one of your trade bids I certainly wouldnt be running back to buy or sell a car with you BUT you are pulling it off and thats the commercial reality so you must be doing something right-HOWEVER I do not want to be the one to fund your next Rolex Daytona!

[kayc]

paracetamol said:

Henry-F said:

paracetamol said:

.....and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

Says who ?

We are very happy with the market at the moment thank you. If you`re not selling cars then possibly you need to look a little closer to home rather than blame "the market".

Phone off the wall today !

Henry

Course you are happy..you are managing to pursuade sellers into thinking its impossible to sell a Porsche privately and scaring them away from sale or return. You are scaring buyers from buying privately. This is allowing a large margin-what's even better is that you are stocking "specialist" stock (funny colours, high miles, no climate etc etc) but managing to sell them at full whack because of all the scare mongering.

Having once been at the recieving end of one of your trade bids I certainly wouldnt be running back to buy or sell a car with you BUT you are pulling it off and thats the commercial reality so you must be doing something right-HOWEVER I do not want to be the one to fund your next Rolex Daytona!

THe OPC's and the 'im doing you a favour indies' are as bad as each other,how else would they make serious money?Buy privately from the right person,say bollox to the 'we wont pay anyway warranty'and live happily trading at the right price..as ive said before only the shit cars get 'given away' to dealers either working from a generic book price(on newer cars ) or a chancer

[Henry-F]

And Kevin will personally indemnify you in the (obviously highly unlikely!), event that you get done over selling your pride & joy or find out that the privately purchased car wasn`t the vendor`s to sell !

If it`s the waiting around and general hassle that bothers you Kevin will also offer to house sit and do the dirty deed for you all F.O.C.

In fact I`ve decidied to widen the KayC school of thought to other businesses.

This week we are looking at Solicitors. Why bother using a "rip off" solicitor to do all the conveyancing work for you when WH Smith`s sell all the forms for just £10.99 and your library has them for free. After all the previous bloke must have bought the house legally so it stands to reason you`ll be fine, and besides you can`t exactly "Ring" a house can you. 15 Acecia Gardens either is or isn`t 15 Acecia gardens !

Next week we`ll be looking at Rip off Restaurants. I ask you - £4.00 for a bowl of soup that contains nothing but water, a 15 pence potato and a twelve penny leek !



Henry

[Vesuvius 996]

kayc said:

paracetamol said:

Henry-F said:

paracetamol said:

.....and Porsche and independent dealers are creating massive bid/offer spreads as they have lost confidence in the market which could mean that they will be stocking cars for too long.

Says who ?

We are very happy with the market at the moment thank you. If you`re not selling cars then possibly you need to look a little closer to home rather than blame "the market".

Phone off the wall today !

Henry

Course you are happy..you are managing to pursuade sellers into thinking its impossible to sell a Porsche privately and scaring them away from sale or return. You are scaring buyers from buying privately. This is allowing a large margin-what's even better is that you are stocking "specialist" stock (funny colours, high miles, no climate etc etc) but managing to sell them at full whack because of all the scare mongering.

Having once been at the recieving end of one of your trade bids I certainly wouldnt be running back to buy or sell a car with you BUT you are pulling it off and thats the commercial reality so you must be doing something right-HOWEVER I do not want to be the one to fund your next Rolex Daytona!

THe OPC's and the 'im doing you a favour indies' are as bad as each other,how else would they make serious money?Buy privately from the right person,say bollox to the 'we wont pay anyway warranty'and live happily trading at the right price..as ive said before only the shit cars get 'given away' to dealers either working from a generic book price(on newer cars ) or a chancer

Methinks you need your Sunshine Band to come and chilly you out, dude.

And as for the "we wont [sic] pay anyway" warranty, they've ALWAYS paid out for my problems, to the tune of over £7k.

Horses for courses - I am risk averse when it comes to cars, so I am prepared to lay out more cash for lower risk.

[Henry-F]

paracetamol said:

HOWEVER I do not want to be the one to fund your next Rolex Daytona!

One of the best buys a poor simple country boy like me could make in his life. £4k for a watch that makes £5,200 all day long trade and £5,700 retail. Clearly the watch for a man who treads carefully!

Henry

[Marki]