993 models becoming worth more than 996 models ?
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After checking the likes of Autotrader for 98 996's , I contacted a reputable Porsche Specialist who I trust, to give advice on prices, serviding costs etc. Taking into account this specialist also sells cars for customers, when avaiable, there was no reason for him to not tell the truth of the following.
When I asked the price to buy a 98 model 996 with circa 60K miles, I was told that a really good one could be had for £18-20K !!! I did mention that all the cars I see advertised are £23K+ , but his response was "too much" plus the 996 prices are dropping in similar fashion to Boxsters recently. Upon asking the question of which model car to get to minimise future depreciation, his response was that decent 993's are nwo fetching more money than older 996's & the feeling is they will retain more money long term. He did point out that i need to see & drive a 993 vs a 996 to see if I like it, as different cars.
Like I said, the guy is reputable (I know others with cars / servicing from him).....he didn't have any cars to sell me, so no point him trying to push me down the wrong track etc. I have left him my details to try & source me a car at the mo..... as he's set an expectation of price that currently no private sellers would want to hear
Wondered what others thoughts are on the subject ?
When I asked the price to buy a 98 model 996 with circa 60K miles, I was told that a really good one could be had for £18-20K !!! I did mention that all the cars I see advertised are £23K+ , but his response was "too much" plus the 996 prices are dropping in similar fashion to Boxsters recently. Upon asking the question of which model car to get to minimise future depreciation, his response was that decent 993's are nwo fetching more money than older 996's & the feeling is they will retain more money long term. He did point out that i need to see & drive a 993 vs a 996 to see if I like it, as different cars.
Like I said, the guy is reputable (I know others with cars / servicing from him).....he didn't have any cars to sell me, so no point him trying to push me down the wrong track etc. I have left him my details to try & source me a car at the mo..... as he's set an expectation of price that currently no private sellers would want to hear
Wondered what others thoughts are on the subject ?
ey up Nerv!
my only opinion would be in a car surely the 996 is an improvement on the 993 to drive as all new against old cars, they cant possibily get worse especially when its Porsche theres 40 odd years or whatever gone into developing the 911, from people i have spoke to owning both there chalk n cheese..
good luck, cos you will need it, a good 996 for £18-£20k, ha ha.
I spoke to my indy servicer when i bought & he said that for the £26k I had I could get my 996 or a 993. BUT if it was him he would get a 996 all the time, it is realy what you want the car for, mine is a every day car, some thing not to raw bu with a bit of poke, I am a soft porsche driver, some are a lot more hard core, I think along the lines of BMW M3 if I wanted to follow the masses, The 993 is more hard core, less child frendly & a lot harder to justify to the misses than the nice newer bigger more comfortable 996...
I spoke to my indy servicer when i bought & he said that for the £26k I had I could get my 996 or a 993. BUT if it was him he would get a 996 all the time, it is realy what you want the car for, mine is a every day car, some thing not to raw bu with a bit of poke, I am a soft porsche driver, some are a lot more hard core, I think along the lines of BMW M3 if I wanted to follow the masses, The 993 is more hard core, less child frendly & a lot harder to justify to the misses than the nice newer bigger more comfortable 996...
Digressing slightly from the original point, but surely the entire 993/996 debate depends on your situation and requirements. I went for a 993 because a.) I wanted the last of the air-cooled, b.) I love the looks, c.) from what I've read in over the last few years they were built that bit better and d.) they are few in number on the roads (less produced). I accept that the 996 is better over longer distances, better for family's, more cosseting and is less of a raw drive. I have a 5 series for daily driving, so I also went for a 993 because it is more of raw experience and in total contrast to what I drive on a daily basis. Personally I've not seen many 996's around the 18 to 20K mark though. I've noticed over the years that there's a lot of rubbish spouted about prices...particularly when a magazine is doing a buyers-guide...they always end up saying "and the great thing is you can get an xyz for only 18K!!!". Well maybe, if you search VERY hard, accept low spec, the colour pink and travel to the ends of the earth to view and and possibly accept a poor history.
Edited by truckpdt on Monday 23 October 13:07
I did alot of research before buying my 996, and i think the reality of the situation is this:
A good example low mileage 993 in one of the sought after guises, such as tt, C4S, C2S etc with the correct colour paint will fetch a price in excess of that for a high mileage, pre-facelifted, bog-specced, iffy-historied, pink 996.
Yes the 996 is still depreciating, its newer and therefore has more depreciation left to do. Yes there are more of them around, its been argued that they were more popular than the 993 when they were sold therefore there are higher numbers of them in the country. So the differential is on the side of the 993 there. But if you assume you can get a good 996 with the right mileage and the spec you require, in a colour you want for a similarly specced 993 - i think you may be very dissapointed.
Also i looked at both models with advice from an indie we all know well and i was told by an engineer there "the 993 is a lovely car to look at, but they are beginning to age mechanically now, and are starting to become what could be described as a "classic" car - they really want to be looked after, garaged, and driven as a fun car at weekends. The 996 is still a definitive daily drive and sports car in one". Thats not my words, remember - thats from an engineer when we talked about porsches as an ownership prospect.
This thread will inevitably deteriorate into something to do with RMS (which i always thought was a power rating for speakers) and horse brasses, which is pointless given that the 993 and 996 are both fantastic cars. still ill sit back and watch the worms spill from the can now.
R.
A good example low mileage 993 in one of the sought after guises, such as tt, C4S, C2S etc with the correct colour paint will fetch a price in excess of that for a high mileage, pre-facelifted, bog-specced, iffy-historied, pink 996.
Yes the 996 is still depreciating, its newer and therefore has more depreciation left to do. Yes there are more of them around, its been argued that they were more popular than the 993 when they were sold therefore there are higher numbers of them in the country. So the differential is on the side of the 993 there. But if you assume you can get a good 996 with the right mileage and the spec you require, in a colour you want for a similarly specced 993 - i think you may be very dissapointed.
Also i looked at both models with advice from an indie we all know well and i was told by an engineer there "the 993 is a lovely car to look at, but they are beginning to age mechanically now, and are starting to become what could be described as a "classic" car - they really want to be looked after, garaged, and driven as a fun car at weekends. The 996 is still a definitive daily drive and sports car in one". Thats not my words, remember - thats from an engineer when we talked about porsches as an ownership prospect.
This thread will inevitably deteriorate into something to do with RMS (which i always thought was a power rating for speakers) and horse brasses, which is pointless given that the 993 and 996 are both fantastic cars.
still ill sit back and watch the worms spill from the can now. R.
I must admit, I tend to agree with the comments on the 993 being a classic...I use my 993 at weekends when it's not slashing it down....and I'm sure I may well start to believe that it's not getting used enough. There is always a strong argument for owning a 996 and using it on a daily basis to get the maximum out of it. Plus the fact I do have to insure/maintain and run two cars as a result of my choice....but hey we all have choices to make. BTW, when I picked up my 993 about 4 to 5 weeks ago, it had just had new cam cover gaskets (not unusual) AND WAIT FOR IT....a new RMS (unusual)!! How's that for honesty.
agreed truckpdt !. That said chap, the down side to having the daily driver is ive got the ugly car 
lol. Seriously i like the looks of the 996 or i wouldnt have bought one regardless, but i still prefer the 993, its the prettiest Porsche they ever made in my eyes.
I compromised the heart versus head decision though for the package the 996 offered. I am still tempted by 993 tt's whenever I browse the classifieds on here though.. .. .
R.
lol. Seriously i like the looks of the 996 or i wouldnt have bought one regardless, but i still prefer the 993, its the prettiest Porsche they ever made in my eyes. I compromised the heart versus head decision though for the package the 996 offered. I am still tempted by 993 tt's whenever I browse the classifieds on here though.. .. .
R.
M@verick said:
Also i looked at both models with advice from an indie we all know well and i was told by an engineer there "the 993 is a lovely car to look at, but they are beginning to age mechanically now, and are starting to become what could be described as a "classic" car - they really want to be looked after, garaged, and driven as a fun car at weekends.
I think he was pulling your plonker. Sure a 96 is more cosseting than a 93 but please don't believe bullshit like this being spouted by an indie.
There was a 964 with intergalatic milage on here the other day (400k miles plus) and I've also seen a 3.2 CS with similar milage under it's wheels which proves that they can be used every day - it just depends what level of refinement you're after.
sleep envy said:
M@verick said:
Also i looked at both models with advice from an indie we all know well and i was told by an engineer there "the 993 is a lovely car to look at, but they are beginning to age mechanically now, and are starting to become what could be described as a "classic" car - they really want to be looked after, garaged, and driven as a fun car at weekends.
I think he was pulling your plonker. Sure a 96 is more cosseting than a 93 but please don't believe bullshit like this being spouted by an indie.
There was a 964 with intergalatic milage on here the other day (400k miles plus) and I've also seen a 3.2 CS with similar milage under it's wheels which proves that they can be used every day - it just depends what level of refinement you're after.
Point taken but then mileage isnt necessarily a determinant factor of every day use, maybe what he meant was "all weather useability" like i say they were an engineers words not mine - and he just as you are is entitled to his opinion. I have no axe to grind Envy, so dont think im knocking your car, im not.
R.
M@verick said:
Point taken but then mileage isnt necessarily a determinant factor of every day use, maybe what he meant was "all weather useability" like i say they were an engineers words not mine - and he just as you are is entitled to his opinion. I have no axe to grind Envy, so dont think im knocking your car, im not.
R.
R.
Still don't buy into what he said unless I've got one of them 'sunshine only' 993s
No axes over here either, this 93 -v- 96 debate just generates so much rubbish that it drives me nuts. I made my choice between my RS, a 93 tt, a 96 GT3 and a 96 tt so it's not as if I'm blinkered to the no H2O world.
Between my C2 and RS I've driven through every type of weather you can imagine (snow, sleet, rain, hail, heatwave, wind, storm, you name it).
Both of them just go on with it and at the end of the journey shrug their arches and say - that all you got, pussy?
sleep envy said:
Between my C2 and RS I've driven through every type of weather you can imagine (snow, sleet, rain, hail, heatwave, wind, storm, you name it).
Both of them just go on with it and at the end of the journey shrug their arches and say - that all you got, pussy?
thats mainly cos you were sitting in your garage making driving noises while the elements trickled in through the hole in the roof. to actually know, youd have tou take it outside occasionally.
of course, then it would get dirty. dirty. dirty. *runsofftowashhands18timesexactly*
nervous said:
sleep envy said:
Between my C2 and RS I've driven through every type of weather you can imagine (snow, sleet, rain, hail, heatwave, wind, storm, you name it).
Both of them just go on with it and at the end of the journey shrug their arches and say - that all you got, pussy?
thats mainly cos you were sitting in your garage making driving noises while the elements trickled in through the hole in the roof. to actually know, youd have tou take it outside occasionally.
of course, then it would get dirty. dirty. dirty. *runsofftowashhands18timesexactly*
Hole in the roof of the gargage?? My garage??? Nerv, you want to think about that one again?
You should have seen my face when I got off the plane to pick it up.
Actually, you would have done very well indeed to see my face considering it was blizzard conditions, and the fact you were still in W'ton
Got to say, it did look kinda sexy after a mid winter hoon across europe covered in grime...
Ah, an emotive subject then..... noob raises wrong question From what I read on here & elsewhere it would seem the 993 is more hardcore than 996. I did drive a 996 this w/e & loved it, so be interesting to try the 993. Personally be happy to own either, just want to make sure I pay the right money so I don't cry (too much) when I go to sell it again
From what I read on here & elsewhere it would seem the 993 is more hardcore than 996. I did drive a 996 this w/e & loved it, so be interesting to try the 993. Personally be happy to own either, just want to make sure I pay the right money so I don't cry (too much) when I go to sell it again sleep envy said:
nervous said:
sleep envy said:
Between my C2 and RS I've driven through every type of weather you can imagine (snow, sleet, rain, hail, heatwave, wind, storm, you name it).
Both of them just go on with it and at the end of the journey shrug their arches and say - that all you got, pussy?
thats mainly cos you were sitting in your garage making driving noises while the elements trickled in through the hole in the roof. to actually know, youd have tou take it outside occasionally.
of course, then it would get dirty. dirty. dirty. *runsofftowashhands18timesexactly*
Hole in the roof of the gargage?? My garage??? Nerv, you want to think about that one again?
You should have seen my face when I got off the plane to pick it up.
Actually, you would have done very well indeed to see my face considering it was blizzard conditions, and the fact you were still in W'ton
Got to say, it did look kinda sexy after a mid winter hoon across europe covered in grime...
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