Audi R8 as Porsche replacement?
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Share track space with RS2, 4 and 6's ? Oh yeah, really mixing it with stuff beneath you isnt it? That would be right up until the moment when you follow one of them through a corner and both nail it immediately afterwards and the damn thing leaves you for dead, then would it ?
Come on, the Audi mega-estates are legendary hero motors!
Come on, the Audi mega-estates are legendary hero motors!
DJC said:
Share track space with RS2, 4 and 6's ? Oh yeah, really mixing it with stuff beneath you isnt it? That would be right up until the moment when you follow one of them through a corner and both nail it immediately afterwards and the damn thing leaves you for dead, then would it ?
Come on, the Audi mega-estates are legendary hero motors!
Come on, the Audi mega-estates are legendary hero motors!
Exactly...Hey I love the Audi Megaestae as much as the next guy and would love to have a graphite grey RS6 Plus withall the blacked out bits and fat miltek exhaust!!!
Problem is you spend £75k+ on your R8 and then some bloke in a 50k estate/sedan hassles you at the Audi trackday...I'd be crushed if I had the R8...
Although I am sure the R8 will be quicker than the estates. It got to be alot lighter...and surely Audi will see snse in keeping a certain performace gap between them.
Shit-you see the problem again-why the hell are we comparing a supercar to an estate. Its just wrong!!!
Dino D said:
Problem is you spend £75k+ on your R8 and then some bloke in a 50k estate/sedan hassles you at the Audi trackday...I'd be crushed if I had the R8...
what, like someone in the £100k 996TT tussling with a £40k 3.4 Boxster or a £50k Cayman S?
bunch of snobbish crap
I hope its a great car and truly challenges the 911, a serious threat to Porsche dominance would do it and therefore us good IMHO
Adam B said:
Dino D said:
Problem is you spend £75k+ on your R8 and then some bloke in a 50k estate/sedan hassles you at the Audi trackday...I'd be crushed if I had the R8...
what, like someone in the £100k 996TT tussling with a £40k 3.4 Boxster or a £50k Cayman S?
bunch of snobbish crap
I hope its a great car and truly challenges the 911, a serious threat to Porsche dominance would do it and therefore us good IMHO
Adam B said:
what, like someone in the £100k 996TT tussling with a £40k 3.4 Boxster or a £50k Cayman S?
bunch of snobbish crap
I hope its a great car and truly challenges the 911, a serious threat to Porsche dominance would do it and therefore us good IMHO
I can't really argue with that but it still feels wrong!
I'm with you on the doing good for Porsche bit....
An aside, havent't Porsche bought a 10% stake in VW??
Dino D said:
Adam B said:
what, like someone in the £100k 996TT tussling with a £40k 3.4 Boxster or a £50k Cayman S?
bunch of snobbish crap
I hope its a great car and truly challenges the 911, a serious threat to Porsche dominance would do it and therefore us good IMHO
I can't really argue with that but it still feels wrong!
I'm with you on the doing good for Porsche bit....
An aside, havent't Porsche bought a 10% stake in VW??
25% blocking stake (to protect their cooperation on Cayenne/Touareg and others - potentially DSG gearbox in the next 911 to replace Tiptronic?)
Financially Porsche will always do ok. In pure financial terms all those Porsche haters who buy Lamborghinis are just adding to Porsche's bottom line...!!
Finn997 said:
25% blocking stake (to protect their cooperation on Cayenne/Touareg and others - potentially DSG gearbox in the next 911 to replace Tiptronic?)
Financially Porsche will always do ok. In pure financial terms all those Porsche haters who buy Lamborghinis are just adding to Porsche's bottom line...!!
Financially Porsche will always do ok. In pure financial terms all those Porsche haters who buy Lamborghinis are just adding to Porsche's bottom line...!!
Agree 100% with first point.
Not sure of value of second. Porsche only get 25% of the benefit and even that is almost completely going to be watered down by the performance of Golfs, Polos and Passats, Seats, Skodas and cooking A3/4s (and the VW board buying hookers and lapdancers)
francisb said:
just wait till AmD / MTM get their hands on one. with 600bhp i dare say the r8 would give a 997tt a run for its money for 20k less
They will have a hell of a job tuning a Naturally Aspirated V8 to 600 HP, as opposed to some minor mods to a 997TT. Of course you could wait for the Lambo V10 powered R8 or will it be R10
either way the R8 should be £70k (sadly it is not) with all the spec and about 90-95k for the Lambo powered one. I still reserve judgement until I have driven one as to whether I would replace my 911 with one. I quite like the look of it and that is all I have to go on at the moment.
francisb said:
just wait till AmD / MTM get their hands on one. with 600bhp i dare say the r8 would give a 997tt a run for its money for 20k less
Once you upgrade an R8 to 600bhp (in case you actually can do so with a normally aspirated car) I don't see a price benefit of 20k vs. a 997tt. The latter one you can easily boost further for quite little money, however.
I agree, it's healthy for Porsche to be kept on their toes. I am, however, convinced that they will be able to stand up to the pressure, always have been...
Few things to say as a future Audi owner.
Whether the R8 will be any good depends on if the R8 was developed by the guys at Quattro Gmbh or by Audi. If the latter it'll be a hard riding understeering dog unfortunately.
Price wise I think its spot on to compete with the 997S isn't it? The power to weight is a little off but the performance figures are roughly comparable, and extras are fewer because standard kit is better. so will work out cheaper to get to an equivalent spec.
As for how much they devalue. It does get a bit annoying when people say the RS4 is devaluing massively. erm is it? The oldest ones on the market are still at about 48k which with a standard spec makes a 5k drop in 9-10 months. What does an M3 lose or even a cayman S in the same period?
remember that the mistake many people make is to assume the figure it drops from is the list pric which in a porsche's case is never even close to how much people pay for them.
Whether the R8 will be any good depends on if the R8 was developed by the guys at Quattro Gmbh or by Audi. If the latter it'll be a hard riding understeering dog unfortunately.
Price wise I think its spot on to compete with the 997S isn't it? The power to weight is a little off but the performance figures are roughly comparable, and extras are fewer because standard kit is better. so will work out cheaper to get to an equivalent spec.
As for how much they devalue. It does get a bit annoying when people say the RS4 is devaluing massively. erm is it? The oldest ones on the market are still at about 48k which with a standard spec makes a 5k drop in 9-10 months. What does an M3 lose or even a cayman S in the same period?
remember that the mistake many people make is to assume the figure it drops from is the list pric which in a porsche's case is never even close to how much people pay for them.
Well I've had a deposit down for 12-18 months now, and am really unsure what to do.
Porsche C4S
+ It's a 911 !
+ some semblence of practicality with 4 seats
+ understated
+ reliable, cheap to service
- lots around
- is it really special any more?
? residual values
Audi R8
+ performance (with V10)
+ looks
+ quality
+ uniqueness
? residuals
? handling etc
- hardly subtle
- 2-seater
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Porsche C4S
+ It's a 911 !
+ some semblence of practicality with 4 seats
+ understated
+ reliable, cheap to service
- lots around
- is it really special any more?
? residual values
Audi R8
+ performance (with V10)
+ looks
+ quality
+ uniqueness
? residuals
? handling etc
- hardly subtle
- 2-seater
Sidicks
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