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I wondered about the tail happy handling on the 911s and was really surprised when it took quite a few of us some significant effort to get the back end sliding at V.Max. It was only the efforts of Track Demon on his third go that managed to get a proper power slide out of it. Those back tyres grip like glue!
Servicing at a recognised specialist is about £400 for the 12k service and £300 for the interim. The rear seats also fold down to give pretty useful amount of luggage space (it will take a tour style golf bag)
I wondered about the tail happy handling on the 911s and was really surprised when it took quite a few of us some significant effort to get the back end sliding at V.Max. It was only the efforts of Track Demon on his third go that managed to get a proper power slide out of it. Those back tyres grip like glue!
Servicing at a recognised specialist is about £400 for the 12k service and £300 for the interim. The rear seats also fold down to give pretty useful amount of luggage space (it will take a tour style golf bag)
nick_968 said:
The back doesnt go on 911's when your on the power!! Thats the whole point of a 911. Its lift off oversteer you need to worry about.
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we used that to get the back end going in the first place, trouble is it kept snapping straight back into place as soon as you put the power down As a 968 owner:
There do seem to be more 968's on the market at present than there is a demand for, and consequentially there are people struggling to get out of them at the same prices they paid a few years ago. This may well be because there are now a number of Porsche models in this price bracket, including the Boxster.
However, I bought mine 6 months ago for what I believe is a very good price. And I would expect to be able to sell for within 10% of that price within 7 days if I wanted. My point is, use the depressed prices as a reason to buy a 968, not a reason to avoid them.
You'll pick up a decent sub 100k mile, FSH, Sport or CS (they are very very similar, but the magazine attention was always on the CS), with lots of refreshed components, such as suspension and brakes etc for £11k or so. Get one with as many attractive bits as possible to make it stand out when you come to selling it and you'll get £10k back for it. You do not need to spend your full £15k for a very good 968. In fact, if you do, that's when you might struggle to sell it on without a moderate loss in 12 months time.
There do seem to be more 968's on the market at present than there is a demand for, and consequentially there are people struggling to get out of them at the same prices they paid a few years ago. This may well be because there are now a number of Porsche models in this price bracket, including the Boxster.
However, I bought mine 6 months ago for what I believe is a very good price. And I would expect to be able to sell for within 10% of that price within 7 days if I wanted. My point is, use the depressed prices as a reason to buy a 968, not a reason to avoid them.
You'll pick up a decent sub 100k mile, FSH, Sport or CS (they are very very similar, but the magazine attention was always on the CS), with lots of refreshed components, such as suspension and brakes etc for £11k or so. Get one with as many attractive bits as possible to make it stand out when you come to selling it and you'll get £10k back for it. You do not need to spend your full £15k for a very good 968. In fact, if you do, that's when you might struggle to sell it on without a moderate loss in 12 months time.
Edited by willdew on Friday 27th October 14:13
People have unrealistic expectations of the value of their cars. I paid £13k for my 968 6 years ago and its still worth £10k now. Over time the 968 has had the best residuals, up there with any porsche other than the upwardly mobile RS cars. Trouble with 968's is there are different types of owners. First is the true 968 owner who doesnt want anything else and appreciates the special qualities of this car, most of them keep their cars for years. Second is the 968 owner who couldnt afford a 911, not so true now as 964's and 80's 911's are now well into the same territory. Finally the wannabe Boxter owner who is trading up from the 968 as they are close in price now. Its the wannabe boxster owners who are causing the flood of cars at the moment and the cayman has an effect but of course they will need finance for that. I think that in a few more years time when the crap 968's have found their way to the breakers and only the good ones remain, prices will firm up and find their level again as its low production numbers and unique appeal stand the test of time.
Also when looking for a 968, unless you want a track car and need the weight saving of the CS, some of which the Sport gives up, dont be concerned with the model. All 968's are very similar a coupe with new brakes and a KW kit will be a superior car to an original CS, and if you really want to lose the weight its not hard. Just find the cleanest example you can, try and get one with new cams and listen for the pinion bearing jet like sound from the rear at motorway speeds when you lift off.
Also when looking for a 968, unless you want a track car and need the weight saving of the CS, some of which the Sport gives up, dont be concerned with the model. All 968's are very similar a coupe with new brakes and a KW kit will be a superior car to an original CS, and if you really want to lose the weight its not hard. Just find the cleanest example you can, try and get one with new cams and listen for the pinion bearing jet like sound from the rear at motorway speeds when you lift off.
Edited by nick_968 on Friday 27th October 14:23
deutscher said:
pikey said:
928? You'd get a very very good one for your budget.
Ahem, running costs and depreciation??
It is always nice to hear other people's knowledge and experience... That way I get to buy, modify and track/race 928s for peanuts and not really worry about depreciation or the like. Are you trying to suggest that a 944 Turbo / 968 CS is cheaper / better car to run than a 928 GT/S 5spd for the money??? You got to be kidding me... But, yes, keep going, that way, the 928 will come down to E36 M3 money for the really good garage queens...
P.S. Sorry, I am biased. 30K miles in 18 months in my 928GT, including 300 laps of the Ring, for the total cost of a fuel pump...
I agree depreciation is no longer a factor for 928's, they are much misunderstood and underated cars. However tyre wear and fuel cost has to be a factor in running costs especially around the ring. However if you can do the work yourself then they remain on of the best value Porsches to own and I know they are very adjustable and can be setup to run very well on the track.
nick_968 said:
I agree depreciation is no longer a factor for 928's, they are much misunderstood and underated cars. However tyre wear and fuel cost has to be a factor in running costs especially around the ring. However if you can do the work yourself then they remain on of the best value Porsches to own and I know they are very adjustable and can be setup to run very well on the track.
£15k buys a low mileage 928 that if used can quickly become a £5k 928.
Yes, if you're an expert you can bring running costs down, but if you're Johnny Punter they can bring you down!
See the other 928 thread re possible costs.
chfs911 said:
Check out the photos of my choice!
http://justhype.blogspot.com/
Maritime 968CS. Great car for shopping and also on the track.
Everybody loves them. I get more nice comments on my 968 than my RS!
http://justhype.blogspot.com/
Maritime 968CS. Great car for shopping and also on the track.
Everybody loves them. I get more nice comments on my 968 than my RS!
Best colour for the CS im my view, looks great mate
If you want the chance to drive both a very late 928S4 & a late 911 3.2 (with G50 gearbox), just get in touch.
Both are very nice examples, details on my website www.autoperform.com The 911 has just been checked over by the Porsche specialist who runs my race car - it only went in because the fanbelt looked iffy and the heater wasn't working (which is now all done of course), so I had it all checked over too so any buyer can contact them for peace of mind and an un-biased appraisal (www.uniteleven.co.uk). Can do the same for the 928 too of course.
Both are very nice examples, details on my website www.autoperform.com The 911 has just been checked over by the Porsche specialist who runs my race car - it only went in because the fanbelt looked iffy and the heater wasn't working (which is now all done of course), so I had it all checked over too so any buyer can contact them for peace of mind and an un-biased appraisal (www.uniteleven.co.uk). Can do the same for the 928 too of course.
Edited by thegoose on Friday 27th October 15:50
rubystone said:
nick_968 said:
People have unrealistic expectations of the value of their cars. I paid £13k for my 968 6 years ago and its still worth £10k now.
Are 968s really worth that much money? Doesn't that make a good 944S2 or Turbo the better value car to have?
Yes - probably. To say a 968 is twice as good as a 944 S2 would be dubious. Similarly, saying a 964RS was twice as good as a 968 would also be dubious. Doesn't stop me wanting a 964RS next though.
I don't think many of us on here only buy the best "value" car.
deutscher said:
nick_968 said:
I agree depreciation is no longer a factor for 928's, they are much misunderstood and underated cars. However tyre wear and fuel cost has to be a factor in running costs especially around the ring. However if you can do the work yourself then they remain on of the best value Porsches to own and I know they are very adjustable and can be setup to run very well on the track.
£15k buys a low mileage 928 that if used can quickly become a £5k 928.
Yes, if you're an expert you can bring running costs down, but if you're Johnny Punter they can bring you down!
See the other 928 thread re possible costs.
£15K buys a reasonable 964C2/C4 LHD, which would very quickly become a £9k 964 if used daily. I know which car is easier to live with on a daily basis and it ain't the 964. £15K buys you a black 1994 LHD 928GTS 5spd with 90K on the clock, which will still be a £10k car 5yrs down the line simply by virtue of it being the pinnacle of the Porsche front engined, water-cooled coupes... Running costs are exactly the same as for any car with similar performance and cost when new. Plenty of specialists around, which charge between £40 and £60 per hour. Plenty of brakers too... But as I said earlier, keep going, you are doing us, 928 enthusiasts a real favor...
cheburator said:
£15K buys a reasonable 964C2/C4 LHD, which would very quickly become a £9k 964 if used daily. I know which car is easier to live with on a daily basis and it ain't the 964. £15K buys you a black 1994 LHD 928GTS 5spd with 90K on the clock, which will still be a £10k car 5yrs down the line simply by virtue of it being the pinnacle of the Porsche front engined, water-cooled coupes... Running costs are exactly the same as for any car with similar performance and cost when new. Plenty of specialists around, which charge between £40 and £60 per hour. Plenty of brakers too... But as I said earlier, keep going, you are doing us, 928 enthusiasts a real favor...
Sorry, but you're re-writing history here.
The 928 is a beautiful car, but was a lead-balloon depreciator, which is why so many ended up in the hands of folk who couldn't afford to run them, thus perpetuating a vicious circle.
You never see a repairable 911 in a breaker's yard - they are always worth fixing. As you point out, the same, sadly, is not true of the 928.
I bet if you could get hold of the figures you'd find something like 90% of all 911s ever made were still running; and I also bet the figure for 928s would be 50% or so.
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