porsche buy disaster--advice please

[The Saint 911]

hi, i put a post on here few weeks ago with concerns- basically friend bought an 02 Targa-from a garage two weeks ago-
had the 190 point check done and couple things came out of it to £750 quid- anyway- took it to porsche in west london to be fixed and the bill is now £ 4,674-
INLET TAPET IS FAULTY ON BANK 1, CYLINDER 1 / REPLACE 6 TAPETS £3,350 {WITH VAT}
VARIO SOLO NODE LEAKING ON BANK 1 £404.00
AND AFEW OTHER THINGS WE KNEW OF ETC ETC,to make the total as above

IS THE GARAGE WHERE HE BOUGHT IT LIABLE FOR ANY ? {NONE PORSCHE}
NO WARRANTY
WHY DIDNT THE TAPPETS COME UP ON CHECK

ANY ADVICE APPRECIATED!
Thanks

[kayc]

The Saint 911 said:

hi, i put a post on here few weeks ago with concerns- basically friend bought an 02 Targa-from a garage two weeks ago-
had the 190 point check done and couple things came out of it to £750 quid- anyway- took it to porsche in west london to be fixed and the bill is now £ 4,674-
INLET TAPET IS FAULTY ON BANK 1, CYLINDER 1 / REPLACE 6 TAPETS £3,350 {WITH VAT}
VARIO SOLO NODE LEAKING ON BANK 1 £404.00
AND AFEW OTHER THINGS WE KNEW OF ETC ETC,to make the total as above

IS THE GARAGE WHERE HE BOUGHT IT LIABLE FOR ANY ? {NONE PORSCHE}
NO WARRANTY
WHY DIDNT THE TAPPETS COME UP ON CHECK

ANY ADVICE APPRECIATED!
Thanks

Isnt this the car that everyone on this forum said dont buy?

[fidgits]

well.

Firstly, i take it he approved Porsche to fix the tappets etc as he paid for them?

I personally would've called the garage at the point this was made aware and under the consumer rights act threaten to reject the car and get my money back...

Didnt the garage offer a warranty/guarantee? If they explicitly stated 'sold as seen', then he doesnt have a leg to stand on..

[Vesuvius 996]

The Saint 911 said:

hi, i put a post on here few weeks ago with concerns- basically friend bought an 02 Targa-from a garage two weeks ago-
had the 190 point check done and couple things came out of it to £750 quid- anyway- took it to porsche in west london to be fixed and the bill is now £ 4,674-
INLET TAPET IS FAULTY ON BANK 1, CYLINDER 1 / REPLACE 6 TAPETS £3,350 {WITH VAT}
VARIO SOLO NODE LEAKING ON BANK 1 £404.00
AND AFEW OTHER THINGS WE KNEW OF ETC ETC,to make the total as above

IS THE GARAGE WHERE HE BOUGHT IT LIABLE FOR ANY ? {NONE PORSCHE}
NO WARRANTY
WHY DIDNT THE TAPPETS COME UP ON CHECK

ANY ADVICE APPRECIATED!
Thanks

So it had a Porsche OPC check, passed it, and then he didn't buy the warranty......

It's his problem, not Porsche's. He might have a claim against the dealer he bought it from, but it would be next to impossible to show that the dealer is liable.

He took a risk and it hasn't paid off, I'm afraid. Makes the warranty look cheap....

Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 1st December 12:08

[The Saint 911]

Agreed-yes- and i take my hat off,,,and and i advised him however=- but as he paid for the check/hpi and it came out clean-and after the check- he went ahead-

[silver993tt]

Vesuvius 996 said:

The Saint 911 said:

hi, i put a post on here few weeks ago with concerns- basically friend bought an 02 Targa-from a garage two weeks ago-
had the 190 point check done and couple things came out of it to £750 quid- anyway- took it to porsche in west london to be fixed and the bill is now £ 4,674-
INLET TAPET IS FAULTY ON BANK 1, CYLINDER 1 / REPLACE 6 TAPETS £3,350 {WITH VAT}
VARIO SOLO NODE LEAKING ON BANK 1 £404.00
AND AFEW OTHER THINGS WE KNEW OF ETC ETC,to make the total as above

IS THE GARAGE WHERE HE BOUGHT IT LIABLE FOR ANY ? {NONE PORSCHE}
NO WARRANTY
WHY DIDNT THE TAPPETS COME UP ON CHECK

ANY ADVICE APPRECIATED!
Thanks

So it had a Porsche OPC check, passed it, and then he didn't buy the warranty......

It's his problem, not Porsche's. He might have a claim against the dealer he bought it from, but it would be next to impossible to show that the dealer is liable.

He took a risk and it hasn't paid off, I'm afraid. Makes the warranty look cheap....

Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 1st December 12:08

I would check that the work actually needs doing. I certainly wouldn't trust the judgement of the OPC mechanics (or probably the service manager in this case).

Why automatically blame the supplying garage when the OPC would be just as likely to rip your colleague off.

[Vesuvius 996]

I feel very sorry for him.

I read the old thread you posted, and Mr WetWipe had it right.

Wetwipe [report] Friday 17th November
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The dealer will say that the parts failed after he collected the car. Tough to prove otherwise really, especially in court.

Did it have a Porsche check or independent? If it was a Porsche check why the HELL didn't he buy the warranty??

Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 1st December 12:14

[The Saint 911]

hi,it was a porsche check done, it does nt say 'sold as seen' as i said few things we knew of, and we knocked that off cost, but the tappets, surely something as serious as this should have been picked up

[Vesuvius 996]

The Porsche check doesn't include stripping the engine and examining the internals.

It covers really obvious stuff, but there is always a risk that the crank will break or something as soon as you set off down the road.

He might want to speak to the dealer about him paying for fixing it, but Bob Hope and No Hope really.

[The Saint 911]

yeah agreed, were getting a second opinion from a porsche specialist

[silver993tt]

£3,350 is very steep just to change one set of tappets - even if they did have to drop the engine (which they don't for the lower 2)

[kayc]

Send the boys round to have a quiet word with the dealer who sold it to him

[sleep envy]

Vesuvius 996 said:

I feel very sorry for him.

I read the old thread you posted, and Mr WetWipe had it right.

Wetwipe [report] Friday 17th November
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rearrange the following words into a common phrase of saying

it bargepole with dont a touch

The dealer will say that the parts failed after he collected the car. Tough to prove otherwise really, especially in court.

Did it have a Porsche check or independent? If it was a Porsche check why the HELL didn't he buy the warranty??

Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 1st December 12:14

but wouldn't he have a case as the car came from a dealer?

Edited by sleep envy on Friday 1st December 12:27

[The Saint 911]

he took a chance, and i guess a couple a grand he can live with but when its 4k more you could have got a much better car for that - lesson somewhere here......

[thegoose]

If a fault occurs after collection it is up to the seller to prove that the car was OK at time of supply. The OPC check does this for him nicely.

Having said that the car should also be 'fit for purpose' for the age and mileage so if the faults that occurred are not unusual for then it is not down to the dealer to fix. This is not usually black & white and a decent dealer will see how he can help, unless of course the buyer chose to specifically buy it "as seen" in which case the reduced price associated with this is what the buyer has weighed up against the risk of faults occurring (in this case he has taken the risk and lost, as someone said).

Even if he were to request the dealer pay for or towards the cost of repairs, he is now not able to do so (except by appealing to the dealer's good nature) because it is the buyer's obligation to offer the seller the opportunity to repair any faults rather than just presenting him wih a bill afterwards.

It summary, it seems he loses out all ways really, and needn't have done if he had done things differently. He should have bought the OPC warranty, but in the abscence of doing so could have sought the seller's help (unless he bought it "as seen" etc in which case the seller is only liable if the vehicle has faults at time of supply that make it 'unroadworthy') before any work was done to the car.

Edited by thegoose on Friday 1st December 12:41

[The Saint 911]

also the porsche garage says its not road worthy,,,,,so hence the 2nd opinion as well as the cost

[thegoose]

The Saint 911 said:

also the porsche garage says its not road worthy....

On what grounds?

[Vesuvius 996]

thegoose said:

The Saint 911 said:

also the porsche garage says its not road worthy....

On what grounds?

Jesus H Christ.

Can you please just post the full story and then we can gie a proper opinion!!!

1. What happened with the finance issue?
2. What did the 111 point check report say?
3. Why is the car unroadworthy?

Thanks

[fidgits]

thegoose said:

The Saint 911 said:

also the porsche garage says its not road worthy....

On what grounds?

Becuase they havent put the engine back or something????

I mean, he managed to drive it to the OPC right?

[DucatiGary]

if I was the OP, this sounds like an ideal time to start praticing my very best "I told you so" dance.