Tarred with the same Brush (172mph)
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"live by the sword, die by the sword" (This driver will be jailed and the "real crims " walk free,
buy a micra and stick to 30, "remember 20 is plenty" and you will live forever !
Nobody has spoilt it for anyone, we all drive too fast and we all now it, he was just unlucky to be caught
"people without sin cast the first stone" etc, "people in glass houses" etc
buy a micra and stick to 30, "remember 20 is plenty" and you will live forever !
Nobody has spoilt it for anyone, we all drive too fast and we all now it, he was just unlucky to be caught
"people without sin cast the first stone" etc, "people in glass houses" etc
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
I think IF it was ever done in one go every young bloke/girl would be out there seeing what there car is capable of without having a clue how to control it at top speeds.
So how could we do it?
Staggered over months/years?
I think IF it was ever done in one go every young bloke/girl would be out there seeing what there car is capable of without having a clue how to control it at top speeds.
So how could we do it?
Staggered over months/years?
Bit of kudos for Porsche really, I mean last time a chap hit the headlines he was driving a BMW M3 at a (now) miss daisy speed of 156mph.
Don't agree with the chap taking it without permission, but as mentioned we all have had at least one "lets see how fast it can go" moment (hell I even have with my wifes Vauxhall Zafira !!)
R.
Don't agree with the chap taking it without permission, but as mentioned we all have had at least one "lets see how fast it can go" moment (hell I even have with my wifes Vauxhall Zafira !!)
R.
bund said:
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
It's not actually that safe in Germany to be honest. Have you ever had some cretin in a Volvo pull out in front of you on the autobahn while you're approaching maximum velocity? I have (mostly they were Dutch actually.....(with tow bars)) and it isn't pretty.
The points I always bear in mid on the UK (and European roads) are:
a) Porsche cars (generally - if they're well maintained) can go very fast. They can also stop very fast.
b) Other cars on the road, can also go fast - but some of them can't stop very fast.
c) You never know WHAT the person in front, behind or to the side of you is going to do at any given time, so you HAVE to make allowances/provision at ANY speed - ESPECIALLY 172mph.
d) If you break the law (for anything) you run the risk of getting caught. On your own head be it.
e) Endangering other drivers is f*cking stupid and f*cking irresponsible. The chap in the Turbo gets his just desserts. It wasn't even his car so he was fairly irresponsible getting into in the first place - you could maybe have predicted what would happen? If the Po-Lice hadn't caught him, I'm sure an innocent Oak tree would be wearing him by now.....
f) I'm waffling now.......
Please be safe.
clarkeyjnr said:
bund said:
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
It's not actually that safe in Germany to be honest. Have you ever had some cretin in a Volvo pull out in front of you on the autobahn while you're approaching maximum velocity? I have (mostly they were Dutch actually.....(with tow bars)) and it isn't pretty.
The points I always bear in mid on the UK (and European roads) are:
a) Porsche cars (generally - if they're well maintained) can go very fast. They can also stop very fast.
b) Other cars on the road, can also go fast - but some of them can't stop very fast.
c) You never know WHAT the person in front, behind or to the side of you is going to do at any given time, so you HAVE to make allowances/provision at ANY speed - ESPECIALLY 172mph.
d) If you break the law (for anything) you run the risk of getting caught. On your own head be it.
e) Endangering other drivers is f*cking stupid and f*cking irresponsible. The chap in the Turbo gets his just desserts. It wasn't even his car so he was fairly irresponsible getting into in the first place - you could maybe have predicted what would happen? If the Po-Lice hadn't caught him, I'm sure an innocent Oak tree would be wearing him by now.....
f) I'm waffling now.......
Please be safe.
So how do you suggest we make the move from 70 to unlimited safely?
clarkeyjnr said:
bund said:
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
It's not actually that safe in Germany to be honest. Have you ever had some cretin in a Volvo pull out in front of you on the autobahn while you're approaching maximum velocity? I have (mostly they were Dutch actually.....(with tow bars)) and it isn't pretty.
The points I always bear in mid on the UK (and European roads) are:
a) Porsche cars (generally - if they're well maintained) can go very fast. They can also stop very fast.
b) Other cars on the road, can also go fast - but some of them can't stop very fast.
c) You never know WHAT the person in front, behind or to the side of you is going to do at any given time, so you HAVE to make allowances/provision at ANY speed - ESPECIALLY 172mph.
d) If you break the law (for anything) you run the risk of getting caught. On your own head be it.
e) Endangering other drivers is f*cking stupid and f*cking irresponsible. The chap in the Turbo gets his just desserts. It wasn't even his car so he was fairly irresponsible getting into in the first place - you could maybe have predicted what would happen? If the Po-Lice hadn't caught him, I'm sure an innocent Oak tree would be wearing him by now.....
f) I'm waffling now.......
Please be safe.
I honestly don't believe you can. People will always drive like ar*eholes, no matter how well the other person thinks they are driving.
Same way you can die at 30mph and you can die at 180mph.
Sorry - I don't like talking about problems unless I can also provide solutions, but the whole unlimited speed thing is a very difficult one to solve.
I would however like to say that I am a very good driver Remember Rain Man...?
I do like to use the car's perfomance when I can, but it isn't very often on the UK roads. Maybe we should all have a convoy trip upto the Scottish Highlands for the weekend for some driving?
Same way you can die at 30mph and you can die at 180mph.
Sorry - I don't like talking about problems unless I can also provide solutions, but the whole unlimited speed thing is a very difficult one to solve.
I would however like to say that I am a very good driver Remember Rain Man...?
I do like to use the car's perfomance when I can, but it isn't very often on the UK roads. Maybe we should all have a convoy trip upto the Scottish Highlands for the weekend for some driving?
kayc said:
clarkeyjnr said:
bund said:
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
It's not actually that safe in Germany to be honest. Have you ever had some cretin in a Volvo pull out in front of you on the autobahn while you're approaching maximum velocity? I have (mostly they were Dutch actually.....(with tow bars)) and it isn't pretty.
The points I always bear in mid on the UK (and European roads) are:
a) Porsche cars (generally - if they're well maintained) can go very fast. They can also stop very fast.
b) Other cars on the road, can also go fast - but some of them can't stop very fast.
c) You never know WHAT the person in front, behind or to the side of you is going to do at any given time, so you HAVE to make allowances/provision at ANY speed - ESPECIALLY 172mph.
d) If you break the law (for anything) you run the risk of getting caught. On your own head be it.
e) Endangering other drivers is f*cking stupid and f*cking irresponsible. The chap in the Turbo gets his just desserts. It wasn't even his car so he was fairly irresponsible getting into in the first place - you could maybe have predicted what would happen? If the Po-Lice hadn't caught him, I'm sure an innocent Oak tree would be wearing him by now.....
f) I'm waffling now.......
Please be safe.
Oh dear.....now I'm finding you funny as well.....Please stop.
I still haven't driven one so I can't comment.....(actually thats' never stopped me commenting in the past.....
) Edited by clarkeyjnr on Wednesday 31st January 11:23
I dont ever really go above the magic 3 numbers in the uk unless on track but not because i don want to or cant its just that i value my licence more than life itself and without being able to drive i am nothing. 
Please please raise the limit......
Please please raise the limit......
Edited by bund on Wednesday 31st January 11:26
The solution is a simple one. Place "realistic" limits that people agree are sensible then enforce them visciously. 70 mph on the motorway in good conditions is a joke, no one adheres to the limit, the general flow of traffic is 80-85 miles an hour.
Set the limit at 90mph as a MAXIMUM (ie not plus 10% plus 2mph) and there you have it. In real terms traffic isn`t going any faster than it is today and finally people respect the limits as being sensible and speeding is seen as socially unacceptable, the police can finally get on with doing their jobs, we don`t think they are a bunch of tossers for handing out a ticket at 78mph when everyone else on the motorway was doing the same speed.
The problem with the current motorway limit is that because we all see 70mph as too slow (it was after all set at a time when cars struggled to top 90-100mph and handled like boats). We then group all speed limits together and assume 30mph limits are too slow when in fact they are usually very sensible and should be adhered to so as not to kill children & pedestrians. Once the motorway limits are set correctly and respected all other limits will be treated the same.
Unlimited motrways are a death trap. The closing speed between 80 mph and 160mph is 80 miles an hour! The Dutch guy in the Volvo only looked in his mirror 5 or 10 seconds ago and all was well so he simply wouldn`t expect anyone to be closing in on him at that speed. Similarly braking hard from 160mph can in it`s self cause problems.
Henry
Set the limit at 90mph as a MAXIMUM (ie not plus 10% plus 2mph) and there you have it. In real terms traffic isn`t going any faster than it is today and finally people respect the limits as being sensible and speeding is seen as socially unacceptable, the police can finally get on with doing their jobs, we don`t think they are a bunch of tossers for handing out a ticket at 78mph when everyone else on the motorway was doing the same speed.
The problem with the current motorway limit is that because we all see 70mph as too slow (it was after all set at a time when cars struggled to top 90-100mph and handled like boats). We then group all speed limits together and assume 30mph limits are too slow when in fact they are usually very sensible and should be adhered to so as not to kill children & pedestrians. Once the motorway limits are set correctly and respected all other limits will be treated the same.
Unlimited motrways are a death trap. The closing speed between 80 mph and 160mph is 80 miles an hour! The Dutch guy in the Volvo only looked in his mirror 5 or 10 seconds ago and all was well so he simply wouldn`t expect anyone to be closing in on him at that speed. Similarly braking hard from 160mph can in it`s self cause problems.
Henry
clarkeyjnr said:
bund said:
I like others would like to see the same kind of thing in Germany here but how could they do it safely?
It's not actually that safe in Germany to be honest. Have you ever had some cretin in a Volvo pull out in front of you on the autobahn while you're approaching maximum velocity? I have (mostly they were Dutch actually.....(with tow bars)) and it isn't pretty.
The points I always bear in mid on the UK (and European roads) are:
a) Porsche cars (generally - if they're well maintained) can go very fast. They can also stop very fast.
b) Other cars on the road, can also go fast - but some of them can't stop very fast.
c) You never know WHAT the person in front, behind or to the side of you is going to do at any given time, so you HAVE to make allowances/provision at ANY speed - ESPECIALLY 172mph.
d) If you break the law (for anything) you run the risk of getting caught. On your own head be it.
e) Endangering other drivers is f*cking stupid and f*cking irresponsible. The chap in the Turbo gets his just desserts. It wasn't even his car so he was fairly irresponsible getting into in the first place - you could maybe have predicted what would happen? If the Po-Lice hadn't caught him, I'm sure an innocent Oak tree would be wearing him by now.....
f) I'm waffling now.......
Please be safe.
Agree, in Belgium you drive at 90 - 100mph, bumper to bumper, crashed cars litter the hard shoulder.... especially when its raining....agree police probably saved him from the Oak Tree
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
180mph if anything went wrong is certain death.
Richard Hammond on the phone for you Porky_Beans....
Richard was not on a road, it looked more like an airfield, most people agree he was lucky, did not see a single lamppost or giveway sign or parked lorry
Read your quote again. 180mph... certain death.
Looks like the SCPs have finally managed to brainwash you.
You can die at 20mph, you can die at 220mph.... but nothing is CERTAIN!
You want to debate whether crashing at 180 on a UK road is certain death or not. Thats the funniest thing i have heard ever ever
Pork_n_Beem said:
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
180mph if anything went wrong is certain death.
Richard Hammond on the phone for you Porky_Beans....
Richard was not on a road, it looked more like an airfield, most people agree he was lucky, did not see a single lamppost or giveway sign or parked lorry
Read your quote again. 180mph... certain death.
Looks like the SCPs have finally managed to brainwash you.
You can die at 20mph, you can die at 220mph.... but nothing is CERTAIN!
You want to debate whether crashing at 180 on a UK road is certain death or not. Thats the funniest thing i have heard ever ever
By a freak of nature, you may not die - but you'd probably never play the piano again......
Pork_n_Beem said:
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
blueyes said:
Pork_n_Beem said:
180mph if anything went wrong is certain death.
Richard Hammond on the phone for you Porky_Beans....
Richard was not on a road, it looked more like an airfield, most people agree he was lucky, did not see a single lamppost or giveway sign or parked lorry
Read your quote again. 180mph... certain death.
Looks like the SCPs have finally managed to brainwash you.
You can die at 20mph, you can die at 220mph.... but nothing is CERTAIN!
You want to debate whether crashing at 180 on a UK road is certain death or not. Thats the funniest thing i have heard ever ever
Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. — Voltaire
I spend 6 months of the year (for the last 5 years) driving mainly in Germany with jaunts to Austria, Italy etc. I have NEVER seen a serious accident on the Autobahn. The sytem works well. What alot of people don't realise is that large stretches ARE speed restricted for very good reason. These include joining slip roads and other autobahn junctions, relatively sharp curves and bridges where high winds can occur.
Fantastic system that other countries, particularly the UK (as usual), just don't want to admit work well because it wasn't their idea in the first place.
Fantastic system that other countries, particularly the UK (as usual), just don't want to admit work well because it wasn't their idea in the first place.
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