cant afford a 964 rs

[wildoliver]

You have to remember on the engine tuning that all 964's tend to punch above their weight on the engine front, the 250BHP is very conservative! Would be interesting to stick a c2 with lightened flywheel and a nice breathing exhaust on the dyno's next to an rs.

[TIGA84]

So you're looking at about £27k total with mods and C2 etc?

can you find another 6 odd grand?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/193269.htm

[sambaman]

there worth every single penny !!..as for over-rated -PLEASE !!!!!..over to you melv...

uktrailmonster said:

As much as I like the 964RS, they're certainly not worth the money they're fetching at the moment. Recreating one from a standard C2 is not that difficult (it's basically a big weight saving exercise) and if you intend to use it on the road the RS suspension is way too stiff anyway. So I think it's an over-rated car at the moment (in terms of value). When they were £20-25K only a few years ago it was a different story.

As for paying £20K for a converted '79 SC, what's that all about? The only relevant and cost effective starting point for a recreation RS is a standard 964 C2.

[seawise]

i've recently acquired a rhd 964 RS and i have to say that the car is everything i'd hoped for.

if in the future i had to chose between parting with either the 964 or my GT3 RS i'd struggle to decide which one i enjoyed less.

964 rs's are fantastic cars, still underrated by the press, and if u can stretch the finances to acquire a baggy lhd one in the low/mid 30's i doubt you'd regret it for a moment.

[clubsport]

Can't afford a 964RS...fair enough, it is enough £££ to risk using it hard on track and consequently fewer owners track them these days, preferring to polish them and talk about their greatness on internet forums

Have you considered a 968CS??....agree it's not a 911, but having tracked various examples of lightweight Porsche, they are certainly due consideration when a budget of say £15k including a few track mods will get you a good one.

[uktrailmonster]

sambaman said:

there worth every single penny !!..as for over-rated -PLEASE !!!!!..over to you melv...

Easy to say when you've got a stable of cars like that! Probably just loose change to you?
I bought a 964 RS for £26K back in the late 90's (5 years old with about 20K miles on the clock). Now that was good value, no doubt at all. But sorry £45-50K today is too much for one of those. They're good, but not that good. Their recent rise in value is probably a reflection of the later cars (not that I've driven a 996/997).

[clubsport]

I think the basis of rise in values is down to the 964RS being a good no thrills drivers Porsche, consider early 2.7RS are £80-200+k now depending on condition, lightweight/toring etc.....the consequence is that good replicas are £30k and more like £50k for the best....why buy an RS replica when you can buy a genuine '92 RS for the same money???....Hence 964RS prices shouldn't be below prices paid for replicas...simple really

[boxsey]

As one who started on a similar path 6 months ago I'd say go for it but I hasten to add that my objective was (is) to develop a track focussed 964 over a long period of time and NOT a 964RS replica.

As long as you're going to keep it and enjoy it over a long period of time, the money you spend on it (and will not get back) will seem unimportant. Also by doing the mods one at a time, over an extended period you get to experience the car getting better and coming together (BTW a C2 is already pretty good out of the box). I'm still on phase 1 which is getting the car back up to original standard. However while doing this I have also spent money on an important modification not metioned so far. Track driver training. It's amazing how much quicker any car can go when you get some expert tuition.

If you look at enough cars you'll be amazed at how cheap you can pick up a high mile with top end rebuild C2 for. I didn't pay anywhere near the £15K price that normally gets mentioned. And when you get it, love it for what it is not for being an RS wannabe.

[uktrailmonster]

Yeah I have considered the cost of a 2.7RS these days. Also not worth the money and that's talking about my favourite car of all time! WTF is going on with the value of classic cars these days? Not that I'm complaining. Anyone want to buy my original 2.4S for £60K?

[rubystone]

TIGA84 said:

So you're looking at about £27k total with mods and C2 etc?

can you find another 6 odd grand?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/193269.htm

Could have bought it for £25K though....but the perfect trackcar I'd say...at £25k....

[rubystone]

uktrailmonster said:

WTF is going on with the value of classic cars these days? Not that I'm complaining. Anyone want to buy my original 2.4S for £60K?

I'd say the values are close to melt-down Carrera 2.7 (G series) for £50k anyone???????

[shoestring7]

A fiend modified his 964 along similar lines, but without the lightweight interior. It was a proper job and the fastest thing I've ever driven on the road. The problem is he recovered hardly any of the thousands he spent on it at sale time, and regrets not going for a 964RS touring in the first place.

Details of the car here: http://www.little-nomad.com/964/index.html

SS7

[uktrailmonster]

rubystone said:

I'd say the values are close to melt-down Carrera 2.7 (G series) for £50k anyone???????

Again they use the argument that a 2.7RS is worth well over £100K so a near mechanically identical '74 2.7 Carerra must be worth £50K! I guess so, but it's a f**cked up piece of logic. Personally I think these cars were undervalued for a long time compared to Ferraris etc, but now it's heading the other way. The 964 RS is not even a closely related car and yet it's perceived value is starting to get linked with its far more historically significant predecessor. I agree, the market may be close to a meltdown. If that happens though, the first to melt will be the 964 RS

Edited by uktrailmonster on Friday 7th September 11:50

Edited by uktrailmonster on Friday 7th September 11:51

[964RS]

clubsport said:

Can't afford a 964RS...fair enough, it is enough £££ to risk using it hard on track and consequently fewer owners track them these days, preferring to polish them and talk about their greatness on internet forums

Have you considered a 968CS??....agree it's not a 911, but having tracked various examples of lightweight Porsche, they are certainly due consideration when a budget of say £15k including a few track mods will get you a good one.

Paul i don't think thats the case - their is still an equal split between those who use on track and those that garage them away...don't think thats ever been any different.

Its just those that garage them are obviously less intelligent

[Jamie Summers]

jon.b said:

Pearcy said:

I do know of a LHD 964RS in Red that will be available shortly for £35k & only has 17k miles, but...

It has been used by an instructor as a track car since new, has a full cage etc. & has had damage to the front & back (fully repaired/not registered), although 1 of the wheels is not magnesium (due to having been replaced). Also, it has been well maintained by the owners own race preperation people, but there is no actual history with the car.

So 17k miles, 2 owners from new, 17k miles, but with no history & 1 of the wheels is not original. - Worth £35k? hmm...

I looked at a very similar sounding car early on this yr. A dealer in Sussex was selling it for £22k IIRC. I think it had been imported from Hong Kong. See link below and scroll down through the cars.
http://www.911classic.co.uk/cars_for_sale.htm
Shows how the market has moved in a short space of time.

I looked at this car too and decided to steer well clear. Had no history, no chassis plate, completely non-original front end eg C2 front PU with squirter holes badly filled !, steel bonnet, no doubt replacement wings. The floor pan was beaten to hell, the carpet had been stripped and litterally thrown back in, had had a weld-in cage removed and was sporting 993 RS comfort seats. All in all it looked pretty dubious to me, didn't get as far as checking whether the numbers matched. Admittedly lots of the work that needed doing was merely cosmetic - but I can't see that even with that work done it should be selling for high £30ks. At £22k it was probably not a bad buy, but quite a risky one. I just didn't think it was worth buying and spending money on to bring it up to scratch without any proveable provenance. Fine as a slightly dog-eared track smoke, but not a collectors car, so shouldn't be attracting mid-range money.

Jamie

[LeoSayer]

shoestring7 said:

A fiend modified his 964 along similar lines, but without the lightweight interior. It was a proper job and the fastest thing I've ever driven on the road. The problem is he recovered hardly any of the thousands he spent on it at sale time, and regrets not going for a 964RS touring in the first place.

Details of the car here: http://www.little-nomad.com/964/index.html

SS7

I test drove that car last year. The current owner had stripped out the interior RS style. It was an awesome drive.

[shoestring7]

LeoSayer said:

shoestring7 said:

A fiend modified his 964 along similar lines, but without the lightweight interior. It was a proper job and the fastest thing I've ever driven on the road. The problem is he recovered hardly any of the thousands he spent on it at sale time, and regrets not going for a 964RS touring in the first place.

Details of the car here: http://www.little-nomad.com/964/index.html

SS7

I test drove that car last year. The current owner had stripped out the interior RS style. It was an awesome drive.

It was indeed, thrid gear would rip you head off - 220lb/ft of torque at 2000rpm. And on the road it was a damn sight better than a 964RS I tried.

I understand that unfortunatly a few corners were cut and poor quality carpets had been installed, somewhat spoiling the car.

SS7

[rubystone]

uktrailmonster said:

rubystone said:

I'd say the values are close to melt-down Carrera 2.7 (G series) for £50k anyone???????

Again they use the argument that a 2.7RS is worth well over £100K so a near mechanically identical '74 2.7 Carerra must be worth £50K! I guess so, but it's a f**cked up piece of logic. Personally I think these cars were undervalued for a long time compared to Ferraris etc, but now it's heading the other way. The 964 RS is not even a closely related car and yet it's perceived value is starting to get linked with its far more historically significant predecessor. I agree, the market may be close to a meltdown. If that happens though, the first to melt will be the 964 RS

Edited by uktrailmonster on Friday 7th September 11:50

Edited by uktrailmonster on Friday 7th September 11:51

I can't argue with your logic. Since we have both owned 964RSs we also know just how close they are to the pre-impact cars in the way they drive and handle (I owned a pre impact car too). But how many people buy them on the basis of that fact rather than on the basis that they have a "following".

Personally, I'd find it hard to justify a 964RS over a GT3 Mk1 or even Mk2. the 964RS and GT3 both have competition pedigree and are both great cars, but to my mind, the latter is a more useable car.

Mind you, I don't have to worry about the track element - my Caterham is perfect for that.

I blame this all on Des Sturdee in any case

[uktrailmonster]

shoestring7 said:

And on the road it was a damn sight better than a 964RS I tried.

That wouldn't be difficult. The 964 RS is way too stiff to be any good on the road. It only works on billiard smooth roads. That's the main reason I sold mine. My wife's VW Lupo was faster on your average UK B-road and I'm really not joking! I do miss the RS though, it's a great track day car and with a slightly softer setup would be great on the road too.

[uktrailmonster]

rubystone said:

I can't argue with your logic. Since we have both owned 964RSs we also know just how close they are to the pre-impact cars in the way they drive and handle (I owned a pre impact car too). But how many people buy them on the basis of that fact rather than on the basis that they have a "following".

Personally, I'd find it hard to justify a 964RS over a GT3 Mk1 or even Mk2. the 964RS and GT3 both have competition pedigree and are both great cars, but to my mind, the latter is a more useable car.

Mind you, I don't have to worry about the track element - my Caterham is perfect for that.

Agreed. If the 964RS didn't carry the RS badge, how much would it be worth today? I'm guessing a lot less than its current inflated value. I've been lucky enough to drive a 2.7RS and own both a 2.4S and a 964RS and both the earlier cars are much better suited to road use. My only regret is not buying a 2.7RS when they were around the £40K mark! But the 2.4S is a pretty good consolation