Chris Harris's 911 for sale
Discussion
mikeo996 said:
appletonn said:
I've spent a bit of time the last coupe of days exploring DR and I like it!
This from a dyed in the wool Evo subscriber...
Why are people so quick to try and kick people's new ventures, jealousy?!
Maybe I'm getting old but I can't get my head around DR - I spend probably 3-4 hours a month reading Evo and as much again looking through old issues. DR - probably the most time I've spent there is 10 minutes - can't find anything, and just haven't got the concept of reading the internet like a bookThis from a dyed in the wool Evo subscriber...
Why are people so quick to try and kick people's new ventures, jealousy?!
kusee pee said:
mikeo996 said:
appletonn said:
I've spent a bit of time the last coupe of days exploring DR and I like it!
This from a dyed in the wool Evo subscriber...
Why are people so quick to try and kick people's new ventures, jealousy?!
Maybe I'm getting old but I can't get my head around DR - I spend probably 3-4 hours a month reading Evo and as much again looking through old issues. DR - probably the most time I've spent there is 10 minutes - can't find anything, and just haven't got the concept of reading the internet like a bookThis from a dyed in the wool Evo subscriber...
Why are people so quick to try and kick people's new ventures, jealousy?!
I like Chris's car. I'd even be interested at the right price. But if its over 50k I don't think it is. For 60k old school enthusiasts would buy a mint 2.4S and newer enthusiasts would buy a 996GT3RS for examples and for more than that you could build almost an identical 1973 2.8RSR that would actually be worth closer to what you paid to build it than what Chris has built.
Chris's car is fantastic spec...but its his vision and his dream...to anybody else its just a great spec rep...and they have a max price...end of story.
I know of a few people spending 100k to rebuild very accurate copies of 2.8RSR replica's...do they expect them to be worth 100k at the end of the build? Do they hell...but then they are not building them to get their money back they are building them because they would like to enjoy a very very good 2.8RSR rep without spending 400-500k on a real one....and they don't give a crap if they lose 50k over 2-3 years as they can afford to easily.
I don't think Chris was in this camp when he started the project. Hence the dilema when coming to sell......
If the trick bits are taken off then the value plummets with them too....
Chris's car is fantastic spec...but its his vision and his dream...to anybody else its just a great spec rep...and they have a max price...end of story.
I know of a few people spending 100k to rebuild very accurate copies of 2.8RSR replica's...do they expect them to be worth 100k at the end of the build? Do they hell...but then they are not building them to get their money back they are building them because they would like to enjoy a very very good 2.8RSR rep without spending 400-500k on a real one....and they don't give a crap if they lose 50k over 2-3 years as they can afford to easily.
I don't think Chris was in this camp when he started the project. Hence the dilema when coming to sell......
If the trick bits are taken off then the value plummets with them too....
911teo said:
As someone that has spent 2 years and a little fortune to build his interpretation of the ultimate 911 the talk of around 100 large ones makes me smile.
It does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
Sounds like a fair summary to me.It does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
Is the car ACTUALLY up for sale and has Chris ACTUALLY mentiond a six figure price tag?
Or is this just another protracted, PH fueled hypothetical debate?
911teo said:
As someone that has spent 2 years and a little fortune to build his interpretation of the ultimate 911 the talk of around 100 large ones makes me smile.
It does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
can you put some pics up? sounds like you have a lovely machine tooIt does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
Adam B said:
911teo said:
As someone that has spent 2 years and a little fortune to build his interpretation of the ultimate 911 the talk of around 100 large ones makes me smile.
It does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
can you put some pics up? sounds like you have a lovely machine tooIt does not matter what went into building the car. It is not a race car, it is not a daily driver, it cannot have FIA papers for classic cars competitions.
It's a wonderful example of someone's vision, executed to the perfection by the best shop.
The car is worth what the buyers are willing to pay, but it will take a special person to fork anywhere near what Mr Harris has in it.
Chris by making it HIS perfect 911 has just shrunk the possible market for it. Some don't like the colour, some thinks 911 should all have tails. Some think the G50 is for the ladies, some think the A/C and hand stitched dash are unnecessary. Some don't care about 8k spent in dampers when you can have Ohlins, Motons, JRZs, Foxes for 1/3, 1/4 and 3/16 of that. Some would rather have EFI and Motec rather than carbs because they do not have a mechanic ready to tune the car every month. Some might argue with the 15" Fuchs and the fact that there are only the Michelin TBs avaliable as a tyre. Some would prefer a crazy revving 2.8 with early S cams, some would argue for a 4.0 9M style torque monster.
I think that when you spend close to what a 997 GT3 RS costs for a "replica/interpretation" you demand it to be EXACLTY like you want it.
I love Chris' car, but I would (and did) do a lot of things differently.
The flip side of the coin is that it would take years to get the finished product whilst this is avaliable now....
But often the journey is more important than the end result
(would personally have the wing..but as the man says - that's the point of these 8individual* projects.
More lovely pics of 911teo's car on this post...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Cool!
P.S. how did you get Bob Chapman to take the shots? I've come across his work on pppbb.com and he's a great snapper...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Cool!
P.S. how did you get Bob Chapman to take the shots? I've come across his work on pppbb.com and he's a great snapper...
Edited by MogulBoy on Friday 22 August 16:00
very very niceThe concept is similar to Chris' car.
I took a 74 tub and decided to build my idea of the ultimate aircooled 911. I had one of the best Porsche shop next to me (we used to live in the USA at the time) and help me accomplish my dream.
So I went IROC look, Mexico blue shade, 935 coilovers, 993 RS 6-speed tranny (G50/31), 993 based 3.9L motor with ITBs and Motec running it, 17 inch Lindsey Fuchs etc....
A lot of people would frown at the 6-speed transmission (especially because we had to swap a 964 floorpan in order to make it fit, destroying any chance of getting FIA papers). Others would say EFI is wrong in a 74 etc.... Some people rightly say I could have saved 70-80kg if I went with fiberglass/cf for the wings/bonnet and Lexan for the windows... But I built it for me, to chase the GT3 RSs at Brands and Donington and to drive it to work or Tesco's with my little ones in the back.
I could talk and write for hours about the car. But this is not the right thread....
I took a 74 tub and decided to build my idea of the ultimate aircooled 911. I had one of the best Porsche shop next to me (we used to live in the USA at the time) and help me accomplish my dream.
So I went IROC look, Mexico blue shade, 935 coilovers, 993 RS 6-speed tranny (G50/31), 993 based 3.9L motor with ITBs and Motec running it, 17 inch Lindsey Fuchs etc....
A lot of people would frown at the 6-speed transmission (especially because we had to swap a 964 floorpan in order to make it fit, destroying any chance of getting FIA papers). Others would say EFI is wrong in a 74 etc.... Some people rightly say I could have saved 70-80kg if I went with fiberglass/cf for the wings/bonnet and Lexan for the windows... But I built it for me, to chase the GT3 RSs at Brands and Donington and to drive it to work or Tesco's with my little ones in the back.
I could talk and write for hours about the car. But this is not the right thread....
MogulBoy said:
More lovely pics of 911teo's car on this post...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Cool!
P.S. how did you get Bob Chapman to take the shots? I've come across his work on pppbb.com and he's a great snapper...
Yeah Bob did a great job.http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Cool!
P.S. how did you get Bob Chapman to take the shots? I've come across his work on pppbb.com and he's a great snapper...
Edited by MogulBoy on Friday 22 August 16:00
The car was featured on Excellence in the Aug/Sep 2007 issue and Bob the photographer.
911teo said:
I could talk and write for hours about the car. But this is not the right thread....
(i know there's that other thread but..)...you know what you've got to do don't you?
(when you have time of course!).
that's the good thing about PH - with a few exceptions, people are interested in the cars and it isn't, or should never be, seen as 'boasting whether it's a mk2 escort or a mclaren F1... "911teo is this your 911" and all that..!
briSk said:
911teo said:
I could talk and write for hours about the car. But this is not the right thread....
(i know there's that other thread but..)...you know what you've got to do don't you?
(when you have time of course!).
that's the good thing about PH - with a few exceptions, people are interested in the cars and it isn't, or should never be, seen as 'boasting whether it's a mk2 escort or a mclaren F1... "911teo is this your 911" and all that..!
Anyway the 911 is a bit of a frankenstein with little left of the original car.
This is a quick list of what has been done to the car that is not original (Zuffenhaus is the shop that did the work)
- TRE IROC front bumper
- Zuffenhaus adjustable splitter
- Mocal 72 ROW oil cooler
- Zuffenhaus oil cooler ducts
- 930 Front Fenders w/ antenna delete
- H4 front headlights
- AJ USA Brake cooling kit
- 930 front calipers and rotors
- Rennline 935 tow hooks
- ERP 935 front suspension kit
- Smart Racing camber Boxes + plates
- Smart Racing/Fox adjustable front shocks
- Zuffenhaus RSR-style cross strut brace replica + brackets
- Fuel Safe SA 100 fuel Cell
- Rennline Battery relocation to smuggler box kit
- Odyssey battery
- Smart Racing/Fabcar dual master cylinder
- Emergency battery switch off
- 993 windshield and seal
- 993 window seals
- Zuffenhaus single wiper conversion
- TRE '74 RS replica mirrors
- 10k rpm rev counter
- 320km/h speedometer
- additional voltmeter + trans temp gauge
- On dash brake bias shift knob
- GT3 RS quick release hub
- Momo race suede steering wheel
- Manual window conversion
- 74 RSR door panels
- Glove box lid delete
- 964 floorpan swap
- Lowered seat rails
- 74 RSR carpet
- 6pt harness eye bolts
- Color coded leather Recaro Pole Position seats
- Alcantara roof liner
- 4pt custom made roll bar
- 3pt fire suppression system
- New G50/31 6-speed transmission
- 993 RS short shift kit
- 993 RS transmission mounts
- 3-point seat belt coversion for rear seats
- 964 rear window
- Zuffenhaus RSR parking brake conversion
- Zuffenhaus RSR strut tower reinforcements
- Wevo sway bar mounts
- ERP 935 spring plates
- Smart Racing/Fox adjustable Rear shocks
- 935 rear trailing arms
- 930 rear calipers and rotors
- Zuffehnaus 964 oil tank relocation
- Wevo motor mounts
- Instant-G 3.9L n/a engine (385hp @ 7,600 rpm)
- 1 7/8 Instant G headers
- IROC replica exhaust tips
- TRE IROC tail
- 964 3.8 RS Carbon fiber wing (track only)
- TRE Rear bumper
- 74 RS rear tag lights
- 74 RS rear fog light
- Euro tail lights
- 9.5x17 Linsdey RSR P2 front wheels
- 11x17 Lindsey RSR P2 rear wheels
- IROC rear reflector fill panel
In progress
- Centerlock hub conversion
- 9.5x15 917 forged replica front wheels
- 11x17 917 forged replica wheels
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