Chris Harris's 911 for sale

[johnny senna]

I can't see the DR's website video. What specific colour is the car? The same green it was in the GT Porsche?

[Essential]

I would actually pay £50k for the car so i guess that puts the floor in the pricing speculation.

[HAB]

stuttgartmetal said:

Mmmm... that shot makes me want a Momo Prototipo.

[shoestring7]

rubystone said:

Pugsey said:

heebeegeetee said:

Good god, folk will be saying the Gulf 917s were a bit of a crap shade of blue next.

Seems history counts for nowt.

LOVE the Gulf blue. But what 'history' has the Harris car got?

I hear that it may have raced at Daytona once

Edited for spelling

Edited by rubystone on Friday 1st August 10:11

No, it was just a good solid US spec 911. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Virgin's old 911, which may, possibly, once have known someone whose 2nd cousin once removed, heard someone in the pub talking about a race in Florida

SS7

[seawise]

Essential said:

I would actually pay £50k for the car so i guess that puts the floor in the pricing speculation.

offer firm £55k - reply 1330hrs london - subject inspection and management approval (wife)

[madala]

....that steering wheel looks so wrong.....hideous on 911....

Edited by madala on Friday 1st August 13:17

[Burnham]

seawise said:

offer firm £55k - reply 1330hrs london - subject inspection and management approval (wife)

I am supremely jealous.

[willdew]

madala said:

....that steering wheel looks so wrong.....hideous on 911....

Edited by madala on Friday 1st August 13:17

Take yourself off into a corner and have a word with yourself. It look perfect on an older track focussed car. FACT.

Edited by willdew on Friday 1st August 13:31

[HAB]

willdew said:

madala said:

....that steering wheel looks so wrong.....hideous on 911....

Edited by madala on Friday 1st August 13:17

Take yourself off into a corner and have a word with yourself. It look perfect on an older track focussed car. FACT.

Yep, Porsche racing cars (including the 917) have a long history with the Prototipo.

[welshbikerduck]

I am confused as to people calling it a classic. Surely the point of a classic is an old car that is no longer made by the manufacturer?

That 911 was never manufactured, it is a bitza and in a bad colour at that and nothing more. It may drive supreme i am not arguing that, but who ever buys that is in for a real kicking come resale time.

[willdew]

For those who've not seen it before - this is the final of the three Autocar video's of the car, where Chris talks you around the )almost) finished car:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.a...

There's a couple more on there too, but this one's the most informative.

[Burnham]

welshbikerduck said:

...a real kicking come resale time.

It would make for a nice keeper then.

;)

[heebeegeetee]

welshbikerduck said:

I am confused as to people calling it a classic. Surely the point of a classic is an old car that is no longer made by the manufacturer?

That 911 was never manufactured, it is a bitza and in a bad colour at that and nothing more. It may drive supreme i am not arguing that, but who ever buys that is in for a real kicking come resale time.

Haven't people been making 911 bitsas for ever? I don't see any of them ever going cheap in the classifieds, it seems to me that any well maintained and unshagged 911 goes for good money. The car has got provenance too, every aspect of its build is known in tremendous detail.

I think this car will always be known as the Chris Harris 911, and whilst Harris himself will take a hit, i don't the new owner will unless he pays silly money.

[uktrailmonster]

welshbikerduck said:

It may drive supreme i am not arguing that, but who ever buys that is in for a real kicking come resale time.

Be much less of a kicking than someone buying a new or nearly new 997 or Boxster. With all due respect I don't think you have any clue what this car is all about.

[uktrailmonster]

Burnham said:

uktrailmonster said:

A used one of these would be lucky to make £20K.

I think thats a little harsh.

..but I agree absolutley on the orignal cost 'new' from PS...it is a huge amount of money, but I suppose it reflects the amount of work thats gone into them. Its difficult to pitch - a classic '70's look with Tip and carrera4 underpinnings is going to have a limted audience...but as a 'classic' daily driver it must be a fun prospect.

Me...I'd take a 2.7 RS rep, or better still, Chris Harris' green machine....hmmm....I wonder if he'll do a swap for my 997S.

Yes a bit harsh I admit. But a few years down the line it would be a tough job to shift one for much more than that. £20K buys you a very nice original C3.2, £40K buys you an early Carrera, £50K buys you an original well sorted early 2.4S. So lots of tough opposition for any PS retro car out there.

I know the price reflects the build cost, but we all know cars like this are worth a lot less than they cost to build after a couple of years. That's a fact of life.

[warmfuzzies]

stuttgartmetal said:

Undoubtedly well built, but Mr Harris has definitely committed a faux pas colour wise. Viper would be more "authentic".
He must have had the thought that he would have to off it one day, so giving it a more historical, or factory colour would widen his market, it would already be small enough.

On the Paul Stephens retro look, I was on his stand at FOS, and spent about half an hour inspecting their cars. Had a good conversation with a them.
Their cars will have to stand on their build quality to retain their resale value.
They are very presentable indeed.

Having seen a few of these in the bare, and seen prototypes and engines, IMHO they are a very narrow market indeed, and I for one do not understand how anyone could take a 964 and make this kind of money.

Kevin.

[Ultrasound]

madala said:

....that steering wheel looks so wrong.....hideous on 911....

Edited by madala on Friday 1st August 13:17

Good God.

[Ultrasound]

Pugsey said:

Ultrasound said:

Love the critism of the car,

a part's bin special! Yeah verging on WRC dampers, also go find out who they were set up by. Hand build flat 6 by Tuthills, like who are those guys (Safari Rally? What's that?. Go and read the work done on the shell of this car.

No history?. Go and buy an inferior product then with some of that 'history'.

Best bit is the crisism of viper green , as someone above said, that powder blue and orange is terrible looking isn't it, that will never catch on.

It's not often a car comes along which is better that the sum of it's exclusive, properly set up, well thought out parts build by experts for a person with true passion and knowledge of the topic with no expense spared.

Strange rant. All I've said is I don't like the green (NOT viper btw) - in fact I think it's vile - but of course that's entirely personal taste. As it happens I love the Gulf blue and orange.

I merely questioned what 'history' it had as someone else brought the subject up. I completely accept that the car has been superbly put together using the best parts with no expense spared. So have many other cars - most of which go on to be sold for much less than their original build cost. Sadly this isn't the sort of 'history' that adds value to a car. I agree that many cars with the 'right' history may actually be inferior to drive.

My original comments were that FOR ME the car does nothing. I think it looks a little clumsey and ill conceived and I happen to hate that colour. It's a personal thing about one car. No need to go off on one!

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 11:12

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 12:41

Your right, God I was grumpy this morning.

[Pugsey]

Ultrasound said:

Pugsey said:

Ultrasound said:

Love the critism of the car,

a part's bin special! Yeah verging on WRC dampers, also go find out who they were set up by. Hand build flat 6 by Tuthills, like who are those guys (Safari Rally? What's that?. Go and read the work done on the shell of this car.

No history?. Go and buy an inferior product then with some of that 'history'.

Best bit is the crisism of viper green , as someone above said, that powder blue and orange is terrible looking isn't it, that will never catch on.

It's not often a car comes along which is better that the sum of it's exclusive, properly set up, well thought out parts build by experts for a person with true passion and knowledge of the topic with no expense spared.

Strange rant. All I've said is I don't like the green (NOT viper btw) - in fact I think it's vile - but of course that's entirely personal taste. As it happens I love the Gulf blue and orange.

I merely questioned what 'history' it had as someone else brought the subject up. I completely accept that the car has been superbly put together using the best parts with no expense spared. So have many other cars - most of which go on to be sold for much less than their original build cost. Sadly this isn't the sort of 'history' that adds value to a car. I agree that many cars with the 'right' history may actually be inferior to drive.

My original comments were that FOR ME the car does nothing. I think it looks a little clumsey and ill conceived and I happen to hate that colour. It's a personal thing about one car. No need to go off on one!

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 11:12

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 12:41

Your right, God I was grumpy this morning.

Not to worry - I'm on my third G&T now, which I'm finding improves things!

Proof - I had to edit even this brief post!

Edited by Pugsey on Friday 1st August 18:37

[graeme36s]

Essential said:

I would actually pay £50k for the car so i guess that puts the floor in the pricing speculation.

I think you are spot on mate. £50K would be around the right money for such a special car. My problem which unfortunately is my issue is that I just do not like green cars.