Stolen 993 in Maida Vale, London
Discussion
fbrs said:
Modificata said:
fbrs said:
sorry to hear that. its a horrible feeling.
bait car. transit van. 4 or 5 likeminded citizens. cables ties. bin bags. and a prepared secluded location.
Just need a hot iron rod.bait car. transit van. 4 or 5 likeminded citizens. cables ties. bin bags. and a prepared secluded location.
Now its perfect.
I've just got back from working in Saudi. Zero crime was bliss!
Modificata said:
Sod it. Hooking up to the National Grid sounds like a good idea.
The man may have a point:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/03/picture_this...
Edited by SNDa on Wednesday 13th August 16:18
Jack911 said:
An interesting point.
What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
As I mentioned before, NU were accommodating when my 993 was stolen. What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
Still, they initially tried to argue that I had paid too much for the car 24 hours before it was stolen. So I presented them with a spreadsheet, complete with regression analysis, of all 993 cars offered for sale in Exchange & Mart (this was a few years back and still the main source then of 911s) by individuals in the 2 months following the theft. I regressed their prices against mileage and age and was able to show that I paid very close to the trend line.
After I had showed them my analysis, complete with graphs, there was no debate anymore ;-)
Worth the work
Good luck
Tom
Edited by maximu5 on Wednesday 13th August 16:38
maximu5 said:
Jack911 said:
An interesting point.
What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
As I mentioned before, NU were accommodating when my 993 was stolen. What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
Still, they initially tried to argue that I had paid too much for the car 24 hours before it was stolen. So I presented them with a spreadsheet, complete with regression analysis, of all 993 cars offered for sale in Exchange & Mart (this was a few years back and still the main source then of 911s) by individuals in the 2 months following the theft. I regressed their prices against mileage and age and was able to show that I paid very close to the trend line.
After I had showed them my analysis, complete with graphs, there was no debate anymore ;-)
Worth the work
Good luck
Tom
Edited by maximu5 on Wednesday 13th August 16:38
maximu5 said:
Jack911 said:
What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
...they initially tried to argue that I had paid too much for the car 24 hours before it was stolen. So I presented them with a spreadsheet, complete with regression analysis, of all 993 cars offered for sale in Exchange & Mart (this was a few years back and still the main source then of 911s) by individuals in the 2 months following the theft. I regressed their prices against mileage and age and was able to show that I paid very close to the trend line.Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
After I had showed them my analysis, complete with graphs, there was no debate anymore
So it was a bloke behind a desk employed to have a knee jerk reaction of "you paid too much".
That's wrong.
Mind you... "Insurance companies are tosspots shocker" isn't really a headline
pikey said:
maximu5 said:
Jack911 said:
What are the experiences of people who have claimed for theft in the past, especially through Norwich Union?
Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
...they initially tried to argue that I had paid too much for the car 24 hours before it was stolen. So I presented them with a spreadsheet, complete with regression analysis, of all 993 cars offered for sale in Exchange & Mart (this was a few years back and still the main source then of 911s) by individuals in the 2 months following the theft. I regressed their prices against mileage and age and was able to show that I paid very close to the trend line.Have they offered a fair value to settle the claim?
After I had showed them my analysis, complete with graphs, there was no debate anymore
So it was a bloke behind a desk employed to have a knee jerk reaction of "you paid too much".
That's wrong.
Mind you... "Insurance companies are tosspots shocker" isn't really a headline
I say, hats off to NU. If ever I live in the UK again I will insure with them again
Edited by maximu5 on Wednesday 13th August 18:43
Adam B said:
what I don't get
likely to have been hoisted onto flat bed truck
surely alarm would have gone off
surely wife would have heard alarm
You're not the only one.likely to have been hoisted onto flat bed truck
surely alarm would have gone off
surely wife would have heard alarm
That's why I can't understand how they took it either.
My wife would most certainly have heard the alarm so I'm quite sure it didn't go off.
The other possibility is that they had a copy of the key and immobiliser control.
Maximu5: Agreed with you again. NU have some interestingly good (rich) data for managing their liability risks in other areas. So good on them too.
Adam B, dunno where you live in London but I assure you, the sound of an alarm going off on any prestige car being hoisted is not unusual in London. Plus it is not helpful to ask if his wife would have heard it because we don't know whether the alarm went off, nor do we know whether she'd even have heard it. Further, he's enough on his plate without straining relations with the wife, surely.
To the OP: I saw a documentary in Blighty a few weeks ago about a bounty hunter who works for insurance companies, tracking down exotic cars. All the German marques were prime, as were most high performance cars. Often the cars got traced to Cyprus (where there are more cars registered, apparently, than there are residents......). Make of that what you will.
I cannot recall the TV station, nor the fellow's name, but he works closely with the Cypriot police and finds stolen cars by simply examining their VINs whilst they're displayed for sale. IIRC, a McLaren SLR was found this way. Many went out concealed in containers. The documentary identified the gang (many were arrested and convicted, I think).
If I were you, and if you'd really like it back, I'd enquire of your insurers pronto to see if they know of such a person and if they'd look into hiring him to find your car. They can do so even after settling your claim.
If you do this, please let us know how you get on.
Adam B, dunno where you live in London but I assure you, the sound of an alarm going off on any prestige car being hoisted is not unusual in London. Plus it is not helpful to ask if his wife would have heard it because we don't know whether the alarm went off, nor do we know whether she'd even have heard it. Further, he's enough on his plate without straining relations with the wife, surely.
To the OP: I saw a documentary in Blighty a few weeks ago about a bounty hunter who works for insurance companies, tracking down exotic cars. All the German marques were prime, as were most high performance cars. Often the cars got traced to Cyprus (where there are more cars registered, apparently, than there are residents......). Make of that what you will.
I cannot recall the TV station, nor the fellow's name, but he works closely with the Cypriot police and finds stolen cars by simply examining their VINs whilst they're displayed for sale. IIRC, a McLaren SLR was found this way. Many went out concealed in containers. The documentary identified the gang (many were arrested and convicted, I think).
If I were you, and if you'd really like it back, I'd enquire of your insurers pronto to see if they know of such a person and if they'd look into hiring him to find your car. They can do so even after settling your claim.
If you do this, please let us know how you get on.
Edited by bcnrml on Wednesday 13th August 19:41
Addendum
Memory tells me that if the gang to which I referred earlier was responsible, or if their methods were copied, here's what happened:
A copy of your keys would have been obtained from Porsche somewhere in the EU, by someone claiming to have been you. They would have backed up their claim by providing copies of your V5 and your driver's licence (obviously with a photo not resembling you, but how will Porsche know?).
They'd have your address, a new copy of your key, and could drive off at their leisure.
The guy who stole the McLaren SLR drove it off and recorded himself doing so on his mobile..... Hence his arrest and conviction.
If so, I'd say your wife's off the hook.
And the more I think of this, the more worrying it is for owners of exotic pork left on the streets.
May I suggest you contact Porsche and find out if any copy of your key was recently requested and made?
Memory tells me that if the gang to which I referred earlier was responsible, or if their methods were copied, here's what happened:
A copy of your keys would have been obtained from Porsche somewhere in the EU, by someone claiming to have been you. They would have backed up their claim by providing copies of your V5 and your driver's licence (obviously with a photo not resembling you, but how will Porsche know?).
They'd have your address, a new copy of your key, and could drive off at their leisure.
The guy who stole the McLaren SLR drove it off and recorded himself doing so on his mobile..... Hence his arrest and conviction.
If so, I'd say your wife's off the hook.
And the more I think of this, the more worrying it is for owners of exotic pork left on the streets.
May I suggest you contact Porsche and find out if any copy of your key was recently requested and made?
J Diddy said:
Once is bad luck, twice raises questions, and 3 times is a pattern.
Maida vale is a porsche black hole
I had my 964 stolen from Sutherland ave 3 weeks ago,
the car was parked opps the warrington pub (but the CCTV was pointed at the ground...argghh)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Farken carnts!
I suspect there's a reason for the pattern that has something to do with its close proximty to the North Circ (industrial estates/bodyshops & the M1/M25. Pound for pound, there is only one other area of London that has more 993's and that place is much harder to get in and out of, and is more secure due to a significantly higher police/security presence, whereas Maida Vale is comparatively lightly policed. This gang obviously know what they are doing, and how best to do it; almost certainly flatbed/tow-truck which you see cruising around town manned by the anonymous 'foreigner' who will probably play the 'innocent stooge' with reqestite clueless paperwork if ever he was nicked in the act... The reason it is flatbed/hoist is because all these motors have been taken from main avenues and not from awkward offstreet/private parking. If nothing else, you should contact Scotland Yard- Stolen Vehicle Unit, they may have collated data for specific vehicle types which if nothing else, may provoke them into throwing some manpower at the problem. One other thought, which has already been mentioned is 'trusted professionals'. Maida vale is a porsche black hole
I had my 964 stolen from Sutherland ave 3 weeks ago,
the car was parked opps the warrington pub (but the CCTV was pointed at the ground...argghh)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Farken carnts!
Edited by J Diddy on Wednesday 13th August 13:36
For my part, whenever I give my car over to an OPC or insurance company. I never give my home address, I use a relatives for that purpose. In short, the only people who know where my car actually sleeps is me and the Mrs. I pay a little extra in premium for this piece of mind, but given the state of data protection in this country, I don't trust any of their potentialy criminal employees.
...I will be keeping an eye out for Porsches on flatbed trucks...but I reckon the number plate will be false....but I will note it down all the same...also I wonder how many other "exotics" have been stolen from the same area...I would have thought plod would have stepped up patrols of the area....nah....don't be silly
Police State said:
For my part, whenever I give my car over to an OPC or insurance company. I never give my home address, I use a relatives for that purpose. In short, the only people who know where my car actually sleeps is me and the Mrs. I pay a little extra in premium for this piece of mind, but given the state of data protection in this country, I don't trust any of their potentialy criminal employees.
so when the insurance company asks where the car is kept overnight, are you saying you don't tell them, or at least don't tell them exactly where? Let's hope it doesn't happen, but i wouldn't fancy you're chances of a payout if you were in the OP's position.To the OP: sorry to hear of this and the s
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