White 930

[zero corrosion]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 07 November 2009 at 21:05

[wildoliver]

I think you'd just need to work out what it actually has, they claim a lot of Ruf parts (including numberplate) but I'd bet most aren't real Ruf parts, likewise check what it has mechanically done to it.

But it looks nice.

[freedman]

Looks stunning, and surely easy to tell if the parts are genuine. I'd guess they were seeing as the dealer clearly states this in the ad.

First port of call RSR maybe

RSR Engineering
01428 602911 - Rardley Ho Headley Rd, Grayshott, Hindhead, Surrey, GU26 6LB

If it is what it purports to be I'd say its not expensive, but maybe its been damaged hence the conversion?

[Err Indoors]

zero corrosion said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/747154.htm

What do you think to this fellas?
Is it a bit over priced for a 1985 930 with non original bits?
Looks the part, but i don't think there are any RUF parts mechanically, just wheels/bumpers.
Are you better off just getting a standard one?
Just think this is a little different, mind you the White Supersport Cab of Crimps still catches my eye, truely awesome looking
Shoite i like them both!!
Probably a safer bet on the Supersport cab, a lot rarer...

Personally i prefer the Supersport Cab, i think the the 930 shape combined with wide fuch alloys in White and the Black hood looks stunning and maybe worth more long term as it is unmolestered. The turbo looks nice though if you like that sort of thing.

[Agent Orange]

Really looks stunning IMO shud be an animal if its as says , RSR is a top shop so as someone said give them a ring............ur only prob may be persuading someone else to buy it one day but at that price i think its fine !

[sambaman]

absolutely FANTASTIC..get it bought...!!!

[TJ930]

Looks to be quite a lot of car for not a massive amount of money - genuine, factory RUF would be considerably more! (RUF made their own type of Intercooler, so why would they fit an Andial I/C?.. Well, they wouldn't!)

I suspect RUF's involvement only goes as far as the small, door mirrors; the alloys; the removal of the black 'stone-chip protectors' in front of the rear, wheel arches; the front and rear bumpers / spoilers; and THE BADGE! (But the body kit might add as much as 5 or so MPH to your top speed - which, given the car's other credentials, should be into the high 170s.)

"K27 turbo" - there are numerous types of KKK-K27 turbo, so might be interesting to know which type. (Suspect '7200' rather than '7006'.)

And yeah, 400bhp at the flywheel isn't over-stressing a 3.3litre 930 engine too much; 450-500bhp and you're going to run into lots of problems if you haven't strengthened other components (and at least added some 'fuel enrichment').

..I should take both for a drive - but MAKE SURE YOU DRIVE THE CARRERA FIRST.. Otherwise you'll be 'waiting for a kick that never comes!'

Edited by TJ930 on Saturday 25th October 12:52

[freedman]

TJ930 said:

Looks to be quite a lot of car for not a massive amount of money - genuine, factory RUF would be considerably more! (RUF made their own type of Intercooler, so why would they fit an Andial I/C?.. Well, they wouldn't!)

I suspect RUF's involvement only goes as far as the small, door mirrors; the alloys; the removal of the black 'stone-chip protectors' in front of the rear, wheel arches; the front and rear bumpers / spoilers; and THE BADGE! (But the body kit might add as much as 5 or so MPH to your top speed - which, given the car's other credentials, should be into the high 170s.)

The ad clearly states what parts are Ruf, and theres no suggestion the engine falls into that category, merely the body, mirrors and wheels

[SEE YA]

If you want a 930, its best to go stock. It's hard to find a good 930 anyway, there are so many bad ones out there.

As for price,you are looking at around £20+ or just under.
Also buy on condition not miles, some people only want certain
colours as well.

I only wanted a black/black one.

Edited by SEE YA on Saturday 25th October 13:11

Edited by SEE YA on Saturday 25th October 13:13

[stuttgartmetal]

This car was up for sale about 150 days ago for £17k odd.
Ive tried unsuccessfuly to find the thread
It had a non-standard ruf intercooler from memory.
Very different from a standard 930

[freedman]

stuttgartmetal said:

It had a non-standard ruf intercooler from memory.

Its an Andial intercooler

[TJ930]

freedman said:

The ad clearly states what parts are Ruf, and theres no suggestion the engine falls into that category, merely the body, mirrors and wheels

Alright, mate - reign it in a bit! (There's really no need to adopt that kind of dismissive tone! )

I don't know how much Mr. "Zero Corrosion" knows about 930s, but within the same paragraph as the mention of the RUF parts was the mention of an engine and gearbox rebuild, so I was merely making absolutely clear to him ['Zero Corrosion'] that it was more than likely that the hand of Austrian tuner, Alois Ruf, had not touched this car's engine. (Despite the fact that somebody's paid nearly £2,000+ quid for a private number plate ending in the letters 'R' & 'U' & 'F'.)

Okay?

I, personally, do happen to know a 'little bit' about 930s (and a damn site more than some so-called Porsche Specialists that I could mention).

[freedman]

TJ930 said:

freedman said:

The ad clearly states what parts are Ruf, and theres no suggestion the engine falls into that category, merely the body, mirrors and wheels

Alright, mate - reign it in a bit! (There's really no need to adopt that kind of dismissive tone! )

I don't know how much Mr. "Zero Corrosion" knows about 930s, but within the same paragraph as the mention of the RUF parts was the mention of an engine and gearbox rebuild, so I was merely making absolutely clear to him ['Zero Corrosion'] that it was more than likely that the hand of Austrian tuner, Alois Ruf, had not touched this car's engine. (Despite the fact that somebody's paid nearly £2,000+ quid for a private number plate ending in the letters 'R' & 'U' & 'F'.)

Okay?

I, personally, do happen to know a 'little bit' about 930s (and a damn site more than some so-called Porsche Specialists that I could mention).

There was nothing dismissive in my post at all

However the advert is quite clear, the engine and conversion work was done by RSR engineering.

No where is there any suggestion Ruf have anything to do with the engine mods.

[POORCARDEALER]

The car was for sale on here with the private owner about 4 months ago

[Crimp a Length!]

POORCARDEALER said:

The car was for sale on here with the private owner about 4 months ago

Yeah think it was around 17k if i remember rightly.

[stuttgartmetal]

Crimp a Length! said:

POORCARDEALER said:

The car was for sale on here with the private owner about 4 months ago

Yeah think it was around 17k if i remember rightly.

you two are taking the michael, shirely ?

LOL

[POORCARDEALER]

stuttgartmetal said:

Crimp a Length! said:

POORCARDEALER said:

The car was for sale on here with the private owner about 4 months ago

Yeah think it was around 17k if i remember rightly.

you two are taking the michael, shirely ?

LOL

I have been drinking.

[Crimp a Length!]

stuttgartmetal said:

Crimp a Length! said:

POORCARDEALER said:

The car was for sale on here with the private owner about 4 months ago

Yeah think it was around 17k if i remember rightly.

you two are taking the michael, shirely ?

LOL

Nah not me Paul.........

[TJ930]

Mate, you are coming across as something of a 'legalise zealot'! And I can assure you that the line, "The ad clearly states what parts are Ruf, and theres no suggestion the engine falls into that category, merely the body, mirrors and wheels..." lends itself very well to being read in a clippy, snorty, abrupt and/or shouty tone!

I'm paraphrasing here slightly, but originally

zero corrosion said:

1) Is it over priced?
2) I think there aren't any RUF mechanical parts; just wheels/bumpers.
3) Am I better off getting a standard one?
4) The White Supersport Cab of Crimps still catches my eye

I think that I answered points 1 and 4, and that I concurred with his assumption (point 2) - paraphrasing myself - but I went, "Yes, you're right, and here's the evidence!" - at which point, you leapt in and shouted, "HEY! NOWHERE DOES IT SAY IT'S A RUF ENGINE!"

Now we've all spoken to salesmen before, and we all know that they tend to exaggerate the good and (if possible) totally ignore the bad - true? If, in the heat of the moment, a salesman could, by implication, suggest that the engine was modified by RUF (and so, get a sale), without stating categorically in writing that it was, he would do it!.. So 'buyer beware' and all that!

From re-reading some of your contributions, I am starting to get the feeling that you are, in some way, involved with this vehicle!.. If you are, you should note that I've said nothing bad about the vehicle - quite the reverse!

My final piece of advice to 'Zero Corrosion' (wish I knew his proper name - this is getting silly!), would be to take the thing for a pacey drive and get the thing really warm, and then - if possible - get the thing up on ramps and see if and how many oil leaks it has. (And he should only do this after a proper PPI test or something.)

[zero corrosion]

TJ930 said:

Mate, you are coming across as something of a 'legalise zealot'! And I can assure you that the line, "The ad clearly states what parts are Ruf, and theres no suggestion the engine falls into that category, merely the body, mirrors and wheels..." lends itself very well to being read in a clippy, snorty, abrupt and/or shouty tone!

I'm paraphrasing here slightly, but originally

zero corrosion said:

1) Is it over priced?
2) I think there aren't any RUF mechanical parts; just wheels/bumpers.
3) Am I better off getting a standard one?
4) The White Supersport Cab of Crimps still catches my eye

I think that I answered points 1 and 4, and that I concurred with his assumption (point 2) - paraphrasing myself - but I went, "Yes, you're right, and here's the evidence!" - at which point, you leapt in and shouted, "HEY! NOWHERE DOES IT SAY IT'S A RUF ENGINE!"

Now we've all spoken to salesmen before, and we all know that they tend to exaggerate the good and (if possible) totally ignore the bad - true? If, in the heat of the moment, a salesman could, by implication, suggest that the engine was modified by RUF (and so, get a sale), without stating categorically in writing that it was, he would do it!.. So 'buyer beware' and all that!

From re-reading some of your contributions, I am starting to get the feeling that you are, in some way, involved with this vehicle!.. If you are, you should note that I've said nothing bad about the vehicle - quite the reverse!

My final piece of advice to 'Zero Corrosion' (wish I knew his proper name - this is getting silly!), would be to take the thing for a pacey drive and get the thing really warm, and then - if possible - get the thing up on ramps and see if and how many oil leaks it has. (And he should only do this after a proper PPI test or something.)

Hi Tom
Valid points.
Just call me Zero for short matey
I think been sensible i would be probably better opting for a standard 930 as "See ya" mentioned.
My concern would be reliability/and moving it on at a later date. Also the car was for sale for a while when it was £17k
The performance thing i am not overly bothered about as all 911's are a bit swift so the Supersport Cab would be a more sensible option and plenty quick enough for me, and it looks fantastic Crimp a lengths i have to say and is how it left the factory i think.