My Caymans S 341BHp and 300Ft/lbs Torque.
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dom180 said:
Actually their site still says 10.8 for the Elise on this link - a lot faster than their 11.97 website claim for the Exige PP lol!
http://www.grouplotus.com/cars/showroom.html#/elis...
No thank goodness :-)I have yet to see any proven Elise times As Lotus always state 9.9 seconds to a ton and 2 seconds faster round their track lol.
As for Location of the Dyno, what does that matter, as long as the tests were done the same before and after it shows the gain on the same unit.
If any Dyno owners want to do a free Dyno and pay me travel costs on the car then PM me.
But as the car will have not been done on that Dyno when standard it will not prove much.
Put it this way the people I used do not sell or tune Porsche's as I would have never got that past you and that would have been a fix aswell.Lotus website states 11.5secs to a ton and the latest copy of evo shows a sc elise doing a ton in 11.4 seconds...
New car must be heavier then because my non performance pack Exige S does a ton in 11.5 seconds. http://www.grouplotus.com/cars/showroom.html#/elis...
TOENHEEL said:
mrdemon said:
jackal said:
mrdemon said:
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hmmm.. its no elise though is it As for Location of the Dyno, what does that matter, as long as the tests were done the same before and after it shows the gain on the same unit.
If any Dyno owners want to do a free Dyno and pay me travel costs on the car then PM me.
But as the car will have not been done on that Dyno when standard it will not prove much.
Put it this way the people I used do not sell or tune Porsche's as I would have never got that past you and that would have been a fix aswell.
Lets not get into Lotus bashing ( i owned 2 )
But they never hit the quoted times and 9.9 was the Exige S quoted time on launch lol when not even the Cup260 can do that time.
Another reason why i sold my Exige and did not S/C it 5k is not good value and the figures stink, all these quoted Bhp/Ton figures but no real results
:-(
ALso forced induction cars start to eat up the fuel and suffer heat soke My Cayman does more Mpg now :-)and no lag or heat soke problems.
Anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures. And they still make the best track day toys imho.(after a few mods)
But they never hit the quoted times and 9.9 was the Exige S quoted time on launch lol when not even the Cup260 can do that time.
Another reason why i sold my Exige and did not S/C it 5k is not good value and the figures stink, all these quoted Bhp/Ton figures but no real results
:-(
ALso forced induction cars start to eat up the fuel and suffer heat soke My Cayman does more Mpg now :-)and no lag or heat soke problems.
Anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures. And they still make the best track day toys imho.(after a few mods)
mrdemon said:
Lets not get into Lotus bashing ( i owned 2 )
But they never hit the quoted times and 9.9 was the Exige S quoted time on launch lol when not even the Cup260 can do that time.
Another reason why i sold my Exige and did not S/C it 5k is not good value and the figures stink, all these quoted Bhp/Ton figures but no real results
:-(
ALso forced induction cars start to eat up the fuel and suffer heat soke My Cayman does more Mpg now :-)and no lag or heat soke problems.
Anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures. And they still make the best track day toys imho.(after a few mods)
True heat soak is an issue with higher powered examples although it can be easily solved. I cant say i have been dissapointed with the performance of my car its blown many fast cars away with relative ease. I do like the idea of a cayman but i found them to heavy and after experiencing extreme engine failure with one im put off unless its a GT3 with a decent block. Demon your Exige was just N/A though wasnt it? have you looked at Komotech with charge cooling etc i actually visited them in Germany on sunday gone and their cars can easily maintain the figures with 300bhp!!But they never hit the quoted times and 9.9 was the Exige S quoted time on launch lol when not even the Cup260 can do that time.
Another reason why i sold my Exige and did not S/C it 5k is not good value and the figures stink, all these quoted Bhp/Ton figures but no real results
:-(
ALso forced induction cars start to eat up the fuel and suffer heat soke My Cayman does more Mpg now :-)and no lag or heat soke problems.
Anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures. And they still make the best track day toys imho.(after a few mods)
Edited by TOENHEEL on Friday 1st May 22:24
Edited by TOENHEEL on Friday 1st May 22:28
Yep thought the SC laptime was ok @ 1:27.7 - would be interesting to see a 111R in the same conditions. [Old Evo time of 1.29.2 in the damp for the 111R/slightly diff. circuit config - doubt they were would be all that much in it imho.]
>>anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures
Sorry MrDemon. [A slight irony there methinks!] Interesting engine mods.
>>anyway lets keep this thread on a Porsche topic, Lotus boys have their own forum to talk figures
Sorry MrDemon. [A slight irony there methinks!] Interesting engine mods.
TOENHEEL said:
I agree they can be a little misleading at times but the proofs in the pudding and evo have just proved that its a bloody nippy car.
Just to clear the air with all these 'doubters'
This type of upgrade is quite common in the US - the EVOMS RS350 Kit from Evolution Motorsport
The Cayman Forum raves on about it.
This should tell you all you need to know:
http://www.evoms.com/marketplace/ViewProduct.asp?N...
At $4900, the OP's £2100 seems correct
This type of upgrade is quite common in the US - the EVOMS RS350 Kit from Evolution Motorsport
The Cayman Forum raves on about it.
This should tell you all you need to know:
http://www.evoms.com/marketplace/ViewProduct.asp?N...
At $4900, the OP's £2100 seems correct
Nice work Mr Demon. Put some pics of the car up as well, have you put the black alloys on?
I now Mr Demon and can say he does a lot of research before he embarks on a project and he likes his attention to detail. This project has been a labour of love for him and to be honest he would not make any claims which cannot be substantiated.
His cayman looks great, sounds good, and is a nice car.
Good work mate
I now Mr Demon and can say he does a lot of research before he embarks on a project and he likes his attention to detail. This project has been a labour of love for him and to be honest he would not make any claims which cannot be substantiated.
His cayman looks great, sounds good, and is a nice car.
Good work mate
Slinky said:
I'm entertained at the "doubters" poking... Vixpy runs a DD rolling road and Dom9 is a Porsche specialist.. of course, what would they know? 
LOL! How did you know?We should all just believe what we are told, right? Especially when we can not see any of the data at the bottom of those curves. Where they done on the same day for example?
I would be VERY pleased to see someone getting good power out of the 3.4 engine with just bolt ons, I have one after all. This inspires me to spend more time looking at the (obviously very) restrictive inlet, exhaust system and mapping.
What i find interesting (and perhaps someone could post comparative engine details such as cam specs) is that many Mk1 GT3's with the 'race engine' produce 'only' the same amount of power as this. They are 200cc larger and I am assuming have more aggressive cam specs, compression, mapping etc etc.
If people want the 'doubters' to disappear, so be it... But you will learn more from these topics with them, than without them. No one is getting a 'slagging off' here!
Looking at the graph I reckon more like 35bhp gain if you discount the ripple towards the ign cut, which now seems to be +300rpm.
Not taking anything away from your mods at all though - in fact +35bhp from your mods is good going IMHO.
Great gains over the whole rev range too, looks like the car would be much nicer to drive.
On the whole it looks like the standard intake is quite restrictive, as is the standard TB. This is probably why the 3.4 feels a little wheezy at the top end. IME anyway.
Wonder what your Cayman would do against my 997S...
Not taking anything away from your mods at all though - in fact +35bhp from your mods is good going IMHO.
Great gains over the whole rev range too, looks like the car would be much nicer to drive.
On the whole it looks like the standard intake is quite restrictive, as is the standard TB. This is probably why the 3.4 feels a little wheezy at the top end. IME anyway.
Wonder what your Cayman would do against my 997S...
Maybe this will help, I am not too familiar with graphs, but for all your techy's this may be an interesting read:
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-boxster-modifi...
Vixpy1 said:
All the shootout data has been deleted from the bottom of the graph, makes me suspicious immiditately.
yes that was my comment on his other thread too. What's going on with that?The other point is that Manthey and Cargraphic don't seem to think they can get this power with their mods?
DanH said:
Vixpy1 said:
All the shootout data has been deleted from the bottom of the graph, makes me suspicious immiditately.
yes that was my comment on his other thread too. What's going on with that?The other point is that Manthey and Cargraphic don't seem to think they can get this power with their mods?
I choose the best person in the world imho to get my map from, He does tuning and engine rebuild of the 996/997 Cup GT cars and has been doing Porsche cars for 16 years, Knows the Porsche ECU better than any one imho.
My plots will all be on my web site un edited for all to see, but as i have about 8 bits of paper i just showed you this one, but rest assured every thing was the same, If any thing my car has more than that Bhp as I did the last run late in the afternoon and temps were very hot, My car even felt slower that day, it was 20oc after all, and we all know cold air is best, even my intake temps were 10 oc higher for that run. I have been using my car today and tonight its realy shifting and temps are 12 Oc outside atm.
Other people have 360+Bhp with the same mods + Manafold :-)
As for 997 C2S I think my car would be faster no contest (non DFi model)
Shame no UK tuners are doing good value tuning work and we have to do tuning parties and import the best stuff on our own.
I think 10 or so Caymans are using these mods in the UK now and growing every time some one has a go in one. We( when i say we I mean I had a beer and BBQ and watched other people work) did another one today and we also took two more people out in both cars and now they want it doing also :-)
Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 2nd May 23:12
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