993 Gone, Late Cayman S or Late 996 C4S?

[Diderot]

Sport chrono makes the car come alive. With PASM, Sport Chrono and short shift, the Cayman absolutely rocks.

[lusopiston]

Callughan said:

Porsche describe it as 'makes throttle response significantly more immediate, adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting, tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving.'

With SC the car is 3 seconds quicker around the ring so for an enthusiast it's an improvement.

Edited by Callughan on Monday 11th May 19:18

What I meant is that it's "just" electronic adjustment, it doesn't actually improve throttle response in the classic sense of say, when you compare a forced induction engine versus NA. I'm still actually a bit undecided on that one, I think the main advantage is the PSM threshold being higher (and the main factor in the faster Ring time?) the more agressive throttle response is a matter of taste, some people like it some don't.

But as a package it's definitely noticeable, not just a marketing gimmick (if you forget the stop watch!).

Edited by lusopiston on Monday 11th May 19:43

[98C4S]

I must be an old bloke stuck in a young mans body, all these gadgets dont appeal to me at all.

[mick_coupe]

Have to say i've got it on mine and its always on

Mick

[98C4S]

mick_coupe said:

Have to say i've got it on mine and its always on

Mick

Thats a lovely looking car Mick - Cobalt is it?

Those wheels are 'the wheels'

[mick_coupe]

Thanks, yeah, Cobalt blue.

I'm so pleased with it, like you say the best wheels i think ?

Mick

[98C4S]

I've just emailed Cal with a car I have pretty much set my sites on. Whilst emailing him the spec - it confirmed in my head that its the one, so I'm picking it up tomorrow!

Pics coming soon..

[Callughan]

Sounds good, look forward to seeing it.

[S1MMA]

Great! Pics asap!

[Adam B]

Callughan said:

Porsche describe it as 'makes throttle response significantly more immediate, adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting, tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving.'

cutting though the marketing bull what does this really mean:

"makes throttle response significantly more immediate" - so eg 30% pedal travel is upscaled to 50% throttle (just press the pedal harder?)
"adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting" (is it actually higher or cuts in more harshly? - if latter zero benefit IMHO)
"tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving" (reins in the PSM? if so PSM could jsut been turned off)

happy to be convinced SC is a good thing as I am struggling at the moment (the lap timer being a total gimmick IMHO), apart from on a 997TT where it gives a temporary torque boost

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 13th May 11:31

[TGJR]

Adam B said:

Callughan said:

Porsche describe it as 'makes throttle response significantly more immediate, adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting, tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving.'

cutting though the marketing bull what does this really mean:

makes throttle response significantly more immediate - so eg 30% pedal travel is upscaled to 50% throttle (just press the pedal harder?)
adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting (its actually higher or cuts in more harshly - if latter zero benefit IMHO)
tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving (reins in the PSM? if so PSM could jsut been turned off)

happy to be convinced SC is a good thing as I am struggling at the moment (the lap timer being a total gimmick IMHO), apart from on a 997TT where it gives a temporary torque boost

The fact that you don't have to press the throttle harder is a benefit to driving on the limit when the car balance is critical.

[Adam B]

TGJR said:

The fact that you don't have to press the throttle harder is a benefit to driving on the limit when the car balance is critical.

please explain this as genuinely trying to understand - if your right foot is at a 30 degree angle to the floor as opposed to 40 degree this makes your body's balance less stable?

[TGJR]

Adam B said:

TGJR said:

The fact that you don't have to press the throttle harder is a benefit to driving on the limit when the car balance is critical.

please explain this as genuinely trying to understand - if your right foot is at a 30 degree angle to the floor as opposed to 40 degree this makes your body's balance less stable?

Accelerator, brakes, steering - all the same principle. The smaller the movement required to initiate a response = quicker response = the better it is for performance driving.

[996GT2]

98C4S said:

I've just emailed Cal with a car I have pretty much set my sites on. Whilst emailing him the spec - it confirmed in my head that its the one, so I'm picking it up tomorrow!

Pics coming soon..

Nice one. It's the Ace meet this Saturday isn't it? You going to take the Coxster along?

[lusopiston]

Adam B said:

Callughan said:

Porsche describe it as 'makes throttle response significantly more immediate, adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting, tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving.'

cutting though the marketing bull what does this really mean:

"makes throttle response significantly more immediate" - so eg 30% pedal travel is upscaled to 50% throttle (just press the pedal harder?)
"adjusts the rev-limiter to a harder setting" (is it actually higher or cuts in more harshly? - if latter zero benefit IMHO)
"tunes the engine dynamics for performance driving" (reins in the PSM? if so PSM could jsut been turned off)

happy to be convinced SC is a good thing as I am struggling at the moment (the lap timer being a total gimmick IMHO), apart from on a 997TT where it gives a temporary torque boost

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 13th May 11:31

With SC on the rev limit is hard (but not higher), meaning you "headbang" into it comparing to soft where it starts cutting softly somewhere below the limit. It's not useless because you have a couple more hundred revs to use before shifting. PSM threshold is also set higher which is useful to allow more play while still allowing some safety net (you can always turn it completly off). I think it's useful but not essential, PASM makes more of a noticeable difference IMO. Having said that I specced it, along with pretty much all the "sporty" options (Sports Exhaust, sports seats, sports steering wheel, short shifter, PASM...).

[Callughan]

996GT2 said:

98C4S said:

I've just emailed Cal with a car I have pretty much set my sites on. Whilst emailing him the spec - it confirmed in my head that its the one, so I'm picking it up tomorrow!

Pics coming soon..

Nice one. It's the Ace meet this Saturday isn't it? You going to take the Coxster along?

It is and it's not Coxster it's Gayman.lol

You going?

[Callughan]

In terms of straightline speed SC does not make a difference, as ultimately power is not increased.

In addition to what the others have said, even with PSM off it will still kick in at some point, with SC the parameters are slightly changed so it kicks in later, this can be useful on track.

I think the car going around the ring 3 seconds quicker than a non SC equipped car demonstrates this quite well.

Edited by Callughan on Wednesday 13th May 13:14

[huytonman]

Good choice, went through the same process myself, considered the 996 and even a TT but in the end the CS took my vote for being newer, better put together and most importantly better handling. Streets ahead of my old 993 in most respects apart from character but we cant have it all! One suggestion, if you can, try a short shifter, I changed mine hoping it would be an improvement and its worth every penny, still not as mechanical feeling as the 993 but much nicer. Shame I couldnt have the CS with the S2000 gear change, but I'm spliting hairs here, its a greate car and you will enjoy every minute of it.

[996GT2]

Callughan said:

996GT2 said:

98C4S said:

I've just emailed Cal with a car I have pretty much set my sites on. Whilst emailing him the spec - it confirmed in my head that its the one, so I'm picking it up tomorrow!

Pics coming soon..

Nice one. It's the Ace meet this Saturday isn't it? You going to take the Coxster along?

It is and it's not Coxster it's Gayman.lol

You going?

Nothing planned for this Saturday night so if the weather's good I'll probably go.

Shan, be good to see the new motor if you can make it.

[Callughan]

Interestingly whilst the handling is better when you look at skid pad tests between the 996 C4S and Cayman S there is only 0.2g difference.

Edited by Callughan on Wednesday 13th May 13:43