997 GT3 RS good price?
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The first thing I would do is send a link to this thread, and then threaten to speak to papers, TV stations, and then Jeremy Clarkson at The Times.
As stated previously, he would have a ball with this one as he's not the biggest fan of Pork!
I'm sure the relevent parties would s
t themselves of the bad publicity they might encounter.
Ps are you any good at poker ?
As stated previously, he would have a ball with this one as he's not the biggest fan of Pork!
I'm sure the relevent parties would s
t themselves of the bad publicity they might encounter.Ps are you any good at poker ?
http://www.porsche.com/uk/approvedused/au-porschea...
" Owning a Porsche should always be a very special experience, which is why when you buy a Porsche Approved used car we do everything we can to make sure that it really is as good as it looks."
Did they? *Everything* the could?
"This means you don’t have to worry about whether the car has been properly tested, because our expert Porsche technicians have already put your car through a stringent set of checks for safety, reliability and performance."
Looks like one does need to worry.
"You also have the reassurance of knowing that each Porsche Approved car has a 12 month renewable warranty.""
I don't think the warranty was actually renewable was it?
So that's from the PGB webby. Those are their promises to *you* the buying public.
But of course, they are empty promises. You don't buy a 2nd hand car from PGB, but from a dealer. So your contract is not with the people making the promise. There is no "consideration", thus you cannot sue against that promise (should you consider it broken).
If it were held that there was any kind of agreement between the purchaser and PGB, one might be able to sue against the promise as a tort. Did PGB have a duty of care?
However, it's all meaningless as has been described here by the guy who bought the car (Anjum??). If the dealer and PGB don't give (which they didn't), then suing is not a preferred route.
So they came to a settlement, we all think it's ste, but the purchasor decided to move on and take the loss. Good decision.
Our little forum will have no effect on PGB, we are pissing in the wind.
Bert
" Owning a Porsche should always be a very special experience, which is why when you buy a Porsche Approved used car we do everything we can to make sure that it really is as good as it looks."
Did they? *Everything* the could?
"This means you don’t have to worry about whether the car has been properly tested, because our expert Porsche technicians have already put your car through a stringent set of checks for safety, reliability and performance."
Looks like one does need to worry.
"You also have the reassurance of knowing that each Porsche Approved car has a 12 month renewable warranty.""
I don't think the warranty was actually renewable was it?
So that's from the PGB webby. Those are their promises to *you* the buying public.
But of course, they are empty promises. You don't buy a 2nd hand car from PGB, but from a dealer. So your contract is not with the people making the promise. There is no "consideration", thus you cannot sue against that promise (should you consider it broken).
If it were held that there was any kind of agreement between the purchaser and PGB, one might be able to sue against the promise as a tort. Did PGB have a duty of care?
However, it's all meaningless as has been described here by the guy who bought the car (Anjum??). If the dealer and PGB don't give (which they didn't), then suing is not a preferred route.
So they came to a settlement, we all think it's s
te, but the purchasor decided to move on and take the loss. Good decision.Our little forum will have no effect on PGB, we are pissing in the wind.
Bert
I think we should create template letter to Goss. We all personalise it with our names and addresses and send a copy to him. We'll only get a "no comment" back. But if he gets a sackfull, it might influence him in some way in the future.
But actually I can't be arsed. I don't give a toss about PGB.
Bert
But actually I can't be arsed. I don't give a toss about PGB.
Bert
BertBert said:
I think we should create template letter to Goss. We all personalise it with our names and addresses and send a copy to him. We'll only get a "no comment" back. But if he gets a sackfull, it might influence him in some way in the future.
But actually I can't be arsed. I don't give a toss about PGB.
Bert
quite, it's a horrific tale but i can't be bothered either. why is that ? because porsche gb don't give a toss about the buyer profile i hold, ie a current/ex porsche customer. my impression is that they are too focused in chasing 'conquest' customers than they are at looking after the party faithful. But actually I can't be arsed. I don't give a toss about PGB.
Bert
i would imagine that this policy has hurt them badly during the current recession, after all it was the long-term loyal porsche enthusiasts who kept buying the product after the bubble burst in 1989.
i won't say i'll never buy another new porsche, although the only car in their line-up to tempt me to loosen my wallet is the gen2 gt3, but with tales like this i certainly won't be buying a used car from an opc. and pgb will ultimately be all the poorer for this breach of trust/faith.
the original poster has done us a great service in drawing our attention to this event. i am sure he has moved on, and rightly so.
Edited by seawise on Wednesday 24th June 15:17
Good grief, what an appalling story.
That fat bd Goss at Porsche GB should stop eating and sort this out.
This company has become unbelievably arrogant and although I love (and have paid for) their products, based on this kind of customer service they probably deserve bankrupcy. I remember the way they brushed me off with the problems I had on my 996RS wheels - a**holes.... cue 430 Spider. Roll on credit crunch - they may learn a thing or two.
These idiots are even more pompous than Ferrari.
That fat b
d Goss at Porsche GB should stop eating and sort this out.This company has become unbelievably arrogant and although I love (and have paid for) their products, based on this kind of customer service they probably deserve bankrupcy. I remember the way they brushed me off with the problems I had on my 996RS wheels - a**holes.... cue 430 Spider. Roll on credit crunch - they may learn a thing or two.
These idiots are even more pompous than Ferrari.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Wednesday 22 July 16:33
Geneve said:
Anjum,
Sorry my issue was not with you or your justifiable grievances, but with the assumption that all OPCs are the same. Agree, however, that this situation does inflict damage on the whole network if consumers cannot rely on the support of Porsche GB.
I have a very longstanding relationship with Porsche, but they really do shoot themselves in the foot sometimes
I know we are not talking Pork but my sisters BMW M3 Cab a few pages back. But in truth forget your rose tinted spectacles, these OPC's or OBC's are there to sell a product. Not because they are passionate about the product it is a means to the end. Yes I spoke to my solicitor but from a BMW persepctive I could prove nothing. I chopped my other halfs X5 4.6iS in at a good price. When we arrived he did not even bother to look at Kerry's X5. He brought the M3 out and parked it around the side because he did not want to run the risk of another customer bumping into the car so the car was in the shade. Although in Feb it should not have made much difference. Was unable to show me the V5 logbook as he already had sent it off to register the car in our name. From memory Alison my sister should have been the third owner but turned out to be the fifth. We should have cottoned on that something was up but we did not as you are buying from an official main dealer. I am not sure that Porsche's computer is the same but when I wrang another BMW main dealer for a part ex on a Z4M Cab it gave them service history and no information about the major accident damage that the car had sustained. They quoted me a reasonable part ex and only noted that the car had had a fair few owners. From that moment on I knew there was no point going the legal route as there was no way in a court of law I could prove that they where fully aware that they where selling a badly damaged product. As I said before in my original post. The only way to protect your self from unscupulous dealers is to have the car inspected by an independant that you feel confident in. Since that event we have bought Alison a Z4M Cab with 27 miles on the clock so rightly or wrongly it did not get inpsected. My other halves 993C2S bought from Paragon, I trust Mark implicitly and my 993 GT2 that was inspected by Fearnsport and a mate who knows Porsche bodywork inside out and given a 100% clean bill of health. Apart from two Nissan Notes if I where ever to buy a car for a chunk of money from an OPC the car would be independantly inspected, even if it was brand new. I know of one pr**k who used to work for me that spun a 996GT2 on a roudabout and on it's PDI, tore a wheel off and damaged the suspension and maybe the rear suspension mounting points. Bet the chap or chapess who bought that car brand new never got to hear about it. Know good with latin but I believe the phrase is "BUYER BE WHERE" Sorry my issue was not with you or your justifiable grievances, but with the assumption that all OPCs are the same. Agree, however, that this situation does inflict damage on the whole network if consumers cannot rely on the support of Porsche GB.
I have a very longstanding relationship with Porsche, but they really do shoot themselves in the foot sometimes
This is shocking but I don't suspect for one minute that it is the exclusive preserve of Porsche (whether that be OPC or GB) to treat its customers this way. I firmly expect that there have been BMW's/Audi's/Merc's et al sold through official outlets that have been involved in serious accidents but not seriously enough to have rendered the car as a total loss.
The interesting, perhaps sad irony, is that this car was re-shelled outside of the official network but then re-sold by the network as an approved used car. It beggars the question as to what questions were put to the repairer of the vehicle by PCL prior to them buying title to the vehicle, and how they can sell the car on with an approved used car warranty whether that be the new or the old style policy?
FWIW, my 996 GT3 is looked after outside of the OPC network now, because for a couple of reasons, I took the decision to run the car without a warranty and I just feel as though the car is mine and I can change it as I see fit and that I wouldn't have to worry about breaking warranty terms and conditions by fitting non-OEM parts to it. I still use OPC Bolton to service my cars within warranty and have no reservations in sending the cars to them and I have what I would consider a good relationship with some of the guys there.
It's a real shame that some have had such deeply unpleasant experiences, surely ones they would not wish to repeat and I personally do sympathise with them/you wholeheartedly.
Sadly P. cars to some are almost a necessary evil...
The interesting, perhaps sad irony, is that this car was re-shelled outside of the official network but then re-sold by the network as an approved used car. It beggars the question as to what questions were put to the repairer of the vehicle by PCL prior to them buying title to the vehicle, and how they can sell the car on with an approved used car warranty whether that be the new or the old style policy?
FWIW, my 996 GT3 is looked after outside of the OPC network now, because for a couple of reasons, I took the decision to run the car without a warranty and I just feel as though the car is mine and I can change it as I see fit and that I wouldn't have to worry about breaking warranty terms and conditions by fitting non-OEM parts to it. I still use OPC Bolton to service my cars within warranty and have no reservations in sending the cars to them and I have what I would consider a good relationship with some of the guys there.
It's a real shame that some have had such deeply unpleasant experiences, surely ones they would not wish to repeat and I personally do sympathise with them/you wholeheartedly.
Sadly P. cars to some are almost a necessary evil...
2skiddy said:
I think this car, EA07 VMC, is now at Gmund cars with POA. I wonder what the asking price is???????
In case anyone is interested - now there is the other thread running about a different crashed orange RS aswell, this car is now listed as being sold:http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/723/997gt3rs.html
I went in to Mercedes Glasgow (used to be Vardy, which isn't a good start) to buy two innocuous little trickle chargers for a friend who doesn't use his Mercs much (I wouldn't own or admit to owning a Merc because they are all just variations on the theme of Egyptian taxi.)
Firstly it took a while for them to understand what they were (I suppose that it's easier to charge customers £250 to haul their cars back into the garage)
Explained that I wanted the little numbers you plug into into the cigarette lighter, like you do on a Porsche. Best speak to the service department. Do these work for these models/years? Answer yes. Next they didn't have them in stock, fair enough, got them in two days.
Went in to get them, had a look. First noticed that they had German type plugs, so I have to buy an adaptor. Then asked, just to be sure, these are the type that plug into the cigarette lighter. Oh,yes!
Later I thought it would be a good idea to read the instructions thoroughly before using, when I see the printed warning 'not to be plugged into the cigarette lighter under any circumstances.'
Trivial, I know, but just how ignorant of their product can UK dealerships be? And don't tell me Mercedes are 'thorough' when they can't even supply chargers in the UK with the correct plug.
Firstly it took a while for them to understand what they were (I suppose that it's easier to charge customers £250 to haul their cars back into the garage)
Explained that I wanted the little numbers you plug into into the cigarette lighter, like you do on a Porsche. Best speak to the service department. Do these work for these models/years? Answer yes. Next they didn't have them in stock, fair enough, got them in two days.
Went in to get them, had a look. First noticed that they had German type plugs, so I have to buy an adaptor. Then asked, just to be sure, these are the type that plug into the cigarette lighter. Oh,yes!
Later I thought it would be a good idea to read the instructions thoroughly before using, when I see the printed warning 'not to be plugged into the cigarette lighter under any circumstances.'
Trivial, I know, but just how ignorant of their product can UK dealerships be? And don't tell me Mercedes are 'thorough' when they can't even supply chargers in the UK with the correct plug.
Edited by cardigankid on Tuesday 11th August 09:55
Well ...... I am a little late to this thread (!) but I came across it by accident and as an ardent Porsche fan and recent customer, I have to say I was shocked by this story. The disgraceful way the OPC and PCGB has behaved will certainly make me think again about any purchase I make in future so I wish to thank the original poster for that and say how admirably he has dealt with the whole situation.
Fortunately for me, my own experiences with Porsche have been very positive but this has been a very informative read.
Long live PHs!
Fortunately for me, my own experiences with Porsche have been very positive but this has been a very informative read.
Long live PHs!
GT3RS only 31km from new - still got packaging protection on it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207047...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207047...
That’s rather nice. But I would prefer one that has done 10.000 km and had all the services along the way. I have a very similar 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and the service schedule is quite elaborate, so I wouldn’t go for a low (no) mileage as you cannot be sure that all the maintenance has been carried out. Calculate at least 20k to “recommission” it as it needs new speak plugs, tyres, fluids, various filters etc etc.
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